I'm fairly sure I know that this line is terrible, it was the 8th or 9th hand after sitting down. I did have some reads from watching play vaguely for an hour though. Notes on players are what I thought of them at the time, (they were not exactly right but some details I was correct on )

SB posts $1
BB posts $3
basically everyone limps ($5 each)
Hero is dealt KK33 on the Button (~$350 effective and everyone at the table covers) hero pots it to $90

Two callers rest fold.

Flop: T87r with one spade
first player checks
2nd player bets 175 (at this point I've seen him flop two wraps and one had a flush draw to go with it, one of them he didn't bet until the wrap got there on river and the other got checked all 3 streets and he shows the hand at showdown and bitched about it missing. At this point I think he's a good player)
Hero folds
Other player calls (This player is loose as they come, never seen him fold pre or flop, will fold on turn or river and overbluffs his ass off once the field is thinned on rivers because his extremely wide range.)




After thinking about this I'm not really sure if the fold is wrong or right. I just have access to my cell until Thursday which is annoying so I can't do personal analysis and sims and this hand is driving my crazy.

I've put about 1/4 of my stack in, the board is very meh for me, I have no blockers, I assume if I GII I would have about 30-35% equity and the other might come along.

I didn't tank on that play at all and pretty much insta folded to the donk bet with the other player to act behind me.

I think anything but folding would be terrible

PLO hands can quickly go from looking very pretty to absolutely uninteresting when the flop is laid out in front of you

edit: To actually put some strategy into the post:
(I'm using "you" in this post to mean "*players in general*", not YOU specifically dark)

Your range isn't completely disconnected from this flop (you have rundowns that hit), so villain can't always auto-own you on it. That said there ARE flops where a competent (no reason to think the villain is it in this case though, jsut a note) villain can ALMOST LEGITIMATELY AUTO-OWN YOU just due to how the board interacts with your range vs his range. Luckily this goes both ways. This can of course be mitigated by trying to balance your preflop ranges.

A prime example of a board like it would be something like you raise the button, a tight-ish SB 3bets you, and the flop comes 567r. I mean, what the hell is he gonna do to you? Nothing, your range just butt****s him even though he's the aggressor with the stronger preflop range. And all this is okay. It's part of the game.
Just fold.

That's what I thought. The table was certain that I should stack off there and anything else is spewing and I disagreed with them at the time. I pretty much thought it was a snap fold. I way overthought it and was second guessing myself and I should probably ignore anything from anyone in that game.

Edit: just saw your edit, they all had my range 100% aces and didn't think I could raise that large with anything else since it was essentially a 3-bet. Obviously (or not obviously) I know how to 3-bet correctly and would probably have more rundowns in my 3-bet range than aces or kings when I am in position. They don't know that. I make sure I have proper board coverage when 3-betting online but wasn't something I was thinking about there. I lied about my hand and told them I had aces when they were asking about it as well to keep the image that I only 3-bet aces.

I mean...

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

board: T87

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
kskc3s3c	43.43%	259,188	2,822
80%	56.57%	337,990	2,822

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

board: T87

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
kskc3s3c	21.37%	126,931	2,580
50%	39.32%	226,999	17,860
50%	39.31%	226,928	17,844

and in case someone doesn't get it, no, I'm not using that as a proper range for villain, I'm using it to show what a **** flop it is for us. **** that flop.

standard fold

Are you sure they weren't ****ing with you when they said you should get it in on that flop lol?

Yeah just a really sucky board, villain shouldn't be leading this 3way without having you crushed.

sb posts 1, bb posts 3, utg weirdly limps 5, 5 other limpers, hero tells dealer that pot limit structure is for noobs and amateurs and raises to 90.

My memory isn't the greatest but I said pot and dealer told me 90. Probably was a straddle in there somewhere and that made it bigger.

I am 100% sure they weren't ****ing with me. They thought an overpair was immortal or something. The two remaining players in the pot GII on the turn when it bricked small and they both showed AQQ no blockers. This lead me to believe the table was absolutely moronic but I didn't have access to that data until after the hand. I can't ever imagine GII there on the flop and I was in this results orientated thinking, because they committed seppuku and I didn't swipe their wallet after.

i was wondered as well but since i don't see any reason why this is even a thread i didn't felled the need of mention it!

Is this the 100bb/100 game oink was talking about? Ok I'm a believer

If table doesn't fold to any sizing anyway, I would only raise to 3x, you have to hit anyway and get it in anyway. SPR would still be interesting to know though (whether there was a raise or a straddle)

€: just saw that you were short - With your stack it might be correct to pot, tough to say since I don't play these stack depths myself. Flop is a fold, so a smaller raise usually doesn't change anything cause you should know the boards to stack off.

I was going to shove on any unconnected board or any board I had a flush draw on, bet 1/3 to 1/4 pot on any paired board. I am very familiar with shortstacking online and probably have put the most time in my study on 3-bet pre, shove flop spots when short. This hand was right in my wheelhouse, I do not really have to hit this flop to GII, I just need a safe flop which will happen more than not. If I just intended on being passive and GII when I hit my set it's an easy flat but I was trying to push my equity edge especially when in position.

this thread is probably a waste of space/time. I shouldn't have created it, I knew what the play was but I don't have access to odds oracle for a week and I was in this results orientated thinking mode with what actually happened. If a mod could just close this thread I would be cool with it. Not sure how to do that myself.

lol mate, keep on coaching!