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12-10-2016 , 10:00 AM
CO 45/22 over 20 hands
BB unknown

    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    SB: $11.62 (116.2 bb)
    BB: $22.95 (229.5 bb)
    UTG: $20.24 (202.4 bb)
    MP: $7.80 (78 bb)
    CO: $10.63 (106.3 bb)
    Hero (BTN): $37.02 (370.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with 8 7 6 6
    2 folds, CO raises to $0.35, Hero raises to $1.20, SB calls $1.15, BB folds, CO calls $0.85

    What are you doing preflop with this hand? I don't think it's a good call because at these stakes, it will most likely end up 3way+ very often and I don't think my hand plays very well in that spot. I therefore decided to put it into my 3betting range because it looks like a decent enough hand. However, I find that people still often overcall hands from the blinds they should just be folding, so I won't get the pot HU as often as I want.
    Can I just fold this pre at these stakes?

    Flop: ($3.70) 3 2 8 (3 players)
    SB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $2.76, SB calls $2.76, CO folds

    Turn: ($9.22) 2 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks

    River: ($9.22) Q (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero ?

    I think post isn't super interesting. I decided to cbet the flop because it's a great board for my range and I block TP, decided to giveup on the turn because I figured he has an overpair a lot of the time and likely isn't going to fold no matter what. You could think about turning this into a bluff on the river but it's probably still unnecessary at these stakes. I don't have any diamond blockers and he's probably still finding a call a lot with PPs or if he somehow backed into a Q.
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    12-10-2016 , 11:21 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Chen Heiner
    CO 45/22 over 20 hands
    BB unknown

      Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

      SB: $11.62 (116.2 bb)
      BB: $22.95 (229.5 bb)
      UTG: $20.24 (202.4 bb)
      MP: $7.80 (78 bb)
      CO: $10.63 (106.3 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $37.02 (370.2 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with 8 7 6 6
      2 folds, CO raises to $0.35, Hero raises to $1.20,



      as played barrel turn
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      12-10-2016 , 12:15 PM
      3bet is only ok if you have very strong reads on your opponent and tight blinds. Players tend to overcall 3bets in the blinds and more often than not you'll end up 3+ handed OTF.

      I understand the flop cbet. I would also understood if you decided to cback. It can go either way imo.

      As played I would definitely continue on the turn.
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      12-10-2016 , 01:06 PM
      Probably fold pre
      Would bet turn
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      12-10-2016 , 01:34 PM
      yes you can fold this hand pre. as played just check the flop. check river.
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      12-10-2016 , 07:22 PM
      When you get there like this, for sure jam the turn. He'll fold some better hands, he'll fold equity, he'll call with draws sometimes. Nothing good ever really happens when you check.
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      12-10-2016 , 08:39 PM
      Preflop is bad, flop bet is sketchy, our equity is awful when called and we can't stand a raise

      After barreling flop there is a strong case for betting the turn repping kk or better, as played whether river bet is profitable is op dependent, we should be able to bluff out some 8s that didn't improve at least
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      12-11-2016 , 12:29 AM
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      I don't think it's a good call because at these stakes, it will most likely end up 3way+ very often and I don't think my hand plays very well in that spot.
      The theory is good but this is the wrong hand to apply it with.
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      12-11-2016 , 10:51 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by .isolated
      The theory is good but this is the wrong hand to apply it with.
      Care to explain? I'm not sure if you're trying to say we should call, fold or 3bet. Thanks
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      12-11-2016 , 12:08 PM
      I don't think shoving turn is good as I expect SB to show up and very rarely fold overpairs in that spot. Which hands could he possibly have called the flop with that might fold now? By that logic it likely follows that pre & flop are bad too. I cbet flop because I figured I'd have enough immediate FE given the strenght of my range, the board's dryness and even blocking TP. Basically I considered my hand as too weak to xb and hope to call turns but too strong to just x/f.

      But the easiest way out probably is to just fold pre. It's just that my 3bet% seems too tight (4% overall) and I'm trying to find some more spots.
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      12-11-2016 , 04:25 PM
      If he calls a turn jam here with a lot of naked overpairs he's lighting money on fire.
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      12-11-2016 , 05:45 PM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Adebisi
      If he calls a turn jam here with a lot of naked overpairs he's lighting money on fire.
      Not if his opponent is 3betting and double barreling garbage.

      I mean, bets on all four streets for hero are just plain bluffs. Not *necessarily* bad, but certainly bad as a default for 10plo.
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      12-11-2016 , 07:41 PM
      In the post I was responding to, OP said his overall 3b was 4%. Calling a turn shove with naked QQ would be horrible. I imagine a couple of the fundamental mistakes an unknown PLO 10 player makes are being too loose/passive or tight/passive preflop and too nitty post flop. He calls QQ in this spot to either set-mine or get to showdown cheap, not to bluffcatch for stacks.
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      12-12-2016 , 07:26 AM
      Quote:
      Originally Posted by Adebisi
      In the post I was responding to, OP said his overall 3b was 4%. Calling a turn shove with naked QQ would be horrible. I imagine a couple of the fundamental mistakes an unknown PLO 10 player makes are being too loose/passive or tight/passive preflop and too nitty post flop. He calls QQ in this spot to either set-mine or get to showdown cheap, not to bluffcatch for stacks.
      The pool is so large and I play so little that I doubt anyone has a good grasp of my 3betting strategy. Your statement is certainly true for the reggier part of the population but in my limited sample on PL10 I got called down by overpairs in similar spots quite frequently. Maybe that's just sample bias but I feel like at these stakes there are enough people having absolutely no clue about hand strengths. I had the very same difficulties coming from Holdem. Anyway, the fact that SB coldcalls a 3bet in the very first hand further increases the probability of him being fishy and I just don't feel comfortable ripping it in with a weak TP vs someone who might turn out to be a huge whale and happily call it off with QQJ5 here.
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      12-13-2016 , 07:36 PM
      Playing a hand with small pair, most of the time you will get flops just like this, a weak connection where you don't know what to do and are betting in the dark. For me pre was between calling and folding. And when you do flop a set of sixes, it's rarely a strong hand.

      In Omaha you don't need to randomize your range by mixing in trash raises. The variation in side-cards causes that effect already.
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