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KK68 ds co vs btn KK68 ds co vs btn

05-19-2016 , 10:03 AM
Co is 30/21 5.6 3b , 29 wtsd, after 300 hand
Co is not that bad i think , and in this hand i put him on a bit stronger range becouse btn is really loose with 50/30 , so he raise with a bit stronger hand becouse probably he will have to play against the btn oop, but this not happend.
What to do with this ds semi connected kings on the bb , 3b or flat ?
On the flopp i dont want bet/fold my hand , is burning money , i thought i ch and see what happen , he pot bet , we only have a gs g and 1 blocker to the straith. i cant ch/c on the flopp, i think is a ch/f , or ch/r , but with ch/r we can be really wrong..

    Prima, $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 4 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    SB: $60.06 (120.1 bb)
    Hero (BB): $204.71 (409.4 bb)
    CO: $50 (100 bb)
    BTN: $59.94 (119.9 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 8 K K 6
    CO raises to $1.75, 2 folds, Hero raises to $5.50, CO calls $3.75

    Flop: ($11.25) 8 4 7 (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $11.25, Hero raises to $45, CO calls $33.25 and is all-in

    Turn: ($100.25) 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: ($100.25) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $100.25 pot ($1 rake)
    Final Board: 8 4 7 3 2
    Hero showed 8 K K 6 and won $99.25 ($49.25 net)
    CO showed 6 9 T 3 and lost (-$50 net)
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    05-19-2016 , 11:06 AM
    Yeah this is a spot where since we have so many AKTx type hands and naked KK or AA that we feel obligated to continue on this flop since otherwise it seems we're just giving up with too much of our range. I think we should anyway though. Calling down is just too difficult and in my experience people won't fold 2pair to a c/r. Vs passives you can get away with bet/folding and vs true maniacs I suppose you actually can just call down, but vs the majority of players I prefer c/f.
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    05-19-2016 , 12:22 PM
    Most people like their hand when they potbet the flop in 3b pots...
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    05-24-2016 , 01:32 AM
    Would xf vs a potbet. Only reason I would continue is because of board texture, no one would usually pot the nuts here so we're not doing terribly (drawing to a chop) in equity usually

    We're likely checking a lot of our range here and villain potting flop means we can make a lot of money with our super equity hands when he commits himself with weak equity

    Last edited by z0mgtiltz; 05-24-2016 at 01:38 AM.
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    05-24-2016 , 06:53 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Grethe
    Most people like their hand when they potbet the flop in 3b pots...
    Disagree. Almoast allways you meet with a drawing hand or the middle of his range. i think its wp.
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    05-24-2016 , 08:05 AM
    I think what Grethe meant was, that after he pots he likes his hand enough to not gonna fold to a c/jam.

    I also agree that the pot indicates a range where he has strong combos eg pair + fd, strong draws eg oesd + strong fd, or vulnerable hands with good SD value eg set or 2 pair no redraw.

    Its not impossible to run into a straight here, but I would guess that Heros equity very often will be between 30% and 50%. With a SPR around 4 I would think that its close weather a c/jam shows a profit or not.
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    05-24-2016 , 12:20 PM
    ^Yeah, this
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    05-24-2016 , 01:10 PM
    You are not including some bare blocker stuffs (77,66) or some total airs which bet folds here. I saw a lot of intrseting bet folds in similar spots. (Obv from fishes/weak players). Iam not saying i would call it off vs regs but vs aggro funplayers i think we have the necessary eq w c/jam. In this particular spot i think i would fold but i dont hate the stackoff here.
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    05-24-2016 , 03:29 PM
    ^^

    You are right, he might show up with some 5522 or JJ66. Certainly not impossible. And I should have worded my first reply differently. Its not the case hat he never ever bet/folds when he pots it, it just makes it way less likely that he will.

    Fwiw I think we agree he Nag, I am fine with c/jamming, but I do believe its close
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    05-24-2016 , 10:58 PM
    omaha is a flop based game
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    05-25-2016 , 12:05 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by naggeri
    You are not including some bare blocker stuffs (77,66) or some total airs which bet folds here. I saw a lot of intrseting bet folds in similar spots. (Obv from fishes/weak players). Iam not saying i would call it off vs regs but vs aggro funplayers i think we have the necessary eq w c/jam. In this particular spot i think i would fold but i dont hate the stackoff here.
    I'm stil not sure what's best tbh, though c/jam can't be that bad

    Just to expand futher.. How do we/you play your range on this board/SPR scenario (in a perfect theoretical world)?
    Checking our entire range, yes?
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