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06-13-2017 , 04:32 PM
Am I against AA? Why would he shove the river then?

Hit me with your thoughts. I only saw myself folding the river but in retrospect I am a little bit confused. He did 3 bet pre so I kind of wanted to put him on AA...

PokerStars - $0.25 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 343.72 BB (VPIP: 48.57, PFR: 22.86, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 36)
Hero (SB): 113 BB
BB: 218.24 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
UTG: 52.12 BB (VPIP: 38.10, PFR: 23.81, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 22)
MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 36.36, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 10.00, Hands: 22)
CO: 413.08 BB (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 40.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 5)

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K 3 9 K

fold, fold, CO raises to 3.4 BB, BTN raises to 7 BB, Hero calls 6.6 BB, fold, CO calls 3.6 BB

Flop: (22 BB, 3 players) 3 4 6
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets 15.8 BB, Hero calls 15.8 BB, fold

Turn: (53.6 BB, 2 players) 4
Hero checks, BTN bets 17 BB, Hero calls 17 BB

River: (87.6 BB, 2 players) 7
Hero checks, BTN bets 83.88 BB, fold

BTN wins 83.88 BB
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06-13-2017 , 04:45 PM
I wouldn't cold call 3bets OOP with these kings, they are pretty crappy. also BTN could def have AA (1st 3bet in 36 hands) so even better kings wouldn't be that good in this spot. so I think pre is the biggest mistake here.

as played, I think you should c/shove flop, even against AA with hearts you have 7 outs. though multiway you could sometimes be crushed.
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06-13-2017 , 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by md46135
so I think pre is the biggest mistake here.
There was even one mistake before that. Sitting at the table.
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06-13-2017 , 05:03 PM
flatting KKss is fine from Sb as at PLO25 + his stats (although small sample) you will often get paid off when you hit.

On the flop I would def pot c/r. This hits a proportion of your sb 3bet flatting range which gives you good fold equity. Should you call you still have live outs unless he holds Ah flush draw
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06-13-2017 , 09:56 PM
This board is awful for a SB 3bet cold call range which will include a lot of KKxx, high card type hands so it's hard to get creative here and start repping anything strong.
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06-14-2017 , 03:49 AM
Thanks for your suggestions, I don't have a crazy amount of PLO experience yet but getting the hang of it. It's not easy knowing which hands I can call 3 bet's with and which ones I should fold.

Anyone can let me know what kind of hands they would cold call 3 bets in the SB with?

Good tip to c/r all in on the flop, makes sense.
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06-14-2017 , 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by SickSense666
Thanks for your suggestions, I don't have a crazy amount of PLO experience yet but getting the hang of it. It's not easy knowing which hands I can call 3 bet's with and which ones I should fold.

Anyone can let me know what kind of hands they would cold call 3 bets in the SB with?

Good tip to c/r all in on the flop, makes sense.

For me, I don't like to cold call 3bets in the sb at all. I prefer not to call out of position with hands that are behind the 3 bettor's range and I prefer to push my equity edge, lower the spr and keep my range uncapped by 4betting. So, without reads, I fold this hand in this spot.

If you want to have a cold calling range, the best hands to do it with are hands like JT98ds or even tt98ds. When you have unconnected single suited kings, the vast majority of your equity comes from the pair of kings. These hands lose the most against a pair of aces. A high hands are also bad to continue with against an Aces heavy range.

As a side note, some players never have aces when they min 3bet. Its worth bearing in mind that you should watch to see what he shows up with in this spot. If he is potting his aces and 3betting his nonsense with this sizing, your KK93 becomes a 4bet. Like I said though you can fold this pretty happily readless.
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06-14-2017 , 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by SolarAU
This board is awful for a SB 3bet cold call range which will include a lot of KKxx, high card type hands so it's hard to get creative here and start repping anything strong.
True, but its bad for everyone's range and with the 2nd nut fd we must be somewhere in the vicinity of having enough equity to GII with a decent chance of picking up folds. Obv we are behind their ranges when they don't fold but straights and sets are likely to be fairly rare all over right?
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06-16-2017 , 08:04 PM
I fold pre. I Think that it's okey situation to flat some kings but these are too disconnected imo. A Little more Connection and/or ds. As played, I love neither option. Fold is to weak. If we raise we have some FE but when we get it in we often get in it really bad (against AAhh). Calling seems also pretty meh since we have 1 more to act and we are OOP later.

PTT is blocked at work so can't run any sims but i would c/r>call>fold.
despite his small 3bet his other stats indicate that he is somewhat aggressive preflop and therefor he may be doing this with stuff that we do better against in AI situation.
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06-18-2017 , 03:38 AM
I can get behind a check-shove on the flop but, yeah, a fold preflop mighta been a good idea. Might as well get it in for fold equity while we have the equity to do so.
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06-19-2017 , 04:13 PM
I call if you got a fishy player that raised from ep that is raising wide and will gii on the flop light cause we actually will be in position type situation since we can check and see how both opponents react first. Other then that I think I fold here. But as played id call the flop and probably fold the turn. he saying he has AA and its possible we are running into a better flush draw. I think the flop call is fine but no where in this hand do i feel comfortable with really doing anything else but calling the flop.
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06-19-2017 , 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by fkme2tears
we actually will be in position type situation since we can check and see how both opponents react first.
Out of position is the new in position
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