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JT97 ds , in 3b pot 4w , with bottom2 , plo50 JT97 ds , in 3b pot 4w , with bottom2 , plo50

09-10-2016 , 09:28 AM
Hi. i dont write stats here , becouse i think 4 way is not really matter , we have to play straitforward.
Pre im morden happy to 3b , and if i have to call a 4b i really like.
Flop: we have bottom2 ,gs, and bdfd.
4way if i pot the flop i think only will better hand call me , or a really good draw, but if i ch that flop im going to give up , becouse i can countinne only on 9 or T turn.
what to do on the flop?
My hand is look really good in pre , look good on the flop to , but on the flop just look good, but is not.

$0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
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SB: $47.33 (94.7 bb)
Hero (BB): $71.84 (143.7 bb)
MP: $139.12 (278.2 bb)
CO: $82.74 (165.5 bb)
BTN: $50 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7 J 9 T
MP raises to $1.75, CO calls $1.75, BTN calls $1.75, SB calls $1.50, Hero raises to $10.50, MP calls $8.75, CO calls $8.75, BTN folds, SB calls $8.75

Flop: ($43.75) A T 9 (4 players)
SB checks, [color="red"]Hero ??
JT97 ds , in 3b pot 4w , with bottom2 , plo50 Quote
09-10-2016 , 05:11 PM
After half day thinking of this hand , i have to say our hand look really good , the 3b i shave to , maybe somebody would size down that. but on the flop with 4way 1.5 spr , bottom 2 and some draw is can be really bad. just ch/f
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09-11-2016 , 05:07 AM
Check fold. Also I would be careful with how often you squeeze this hand OOP. You get put in a lot of tough spots when you don't many folds. Middle to low rundowns are good as isolation 3 bets, but play better with a low spr multiway.
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09-11-2016 , 12:45 PM
Too busy to do the math at the moment, but my gut reaction is this is a close shove.
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09-12-2016 , 06:10 AM
A kind of awkward 3bet preflop. This hand is fine to play in a multi-way SR pot. I'm not sure you're pushing that much equity with a 3bet. I think with the SPR you're laying for yourself and your opponents you could be put in some tough spots on certain boards.

I'd be shoving this flop. Not that many hands that are going to be calling it off /re-shoving considering how AA heavy our range is (3bet sqz into 4 people), and we want to put hands like Axxx or some pair + gutter/sd, hands that have decent equity against us in a tough spot, as well as protect ourselves from those hands. Feels close but I stand by shoving.
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09-12-2016 , 06:50 AM
It's a pretty clear stack off in my opinion, since you need 37,5 % equity to break even (please, no rake arguments for now). On those stakes, some opponents for sure will fold A965, A9K7, etc., in this spot.
If you are not ready to stack off on this flop, you should never ever 3bet this hand in the first place.
X/f would be bad, bet smaler/decide is an interesting proposition from theory perspective, which requires some math.
Such analysis however would be complicated by occasional calls you gonna get, since visibility of your hand strength is pretty terrible on almost any turn, puting u in awkward situation.
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09-12-2016 , 07:03 AM
By the way, i find it tough to understand the argument "not pushing that much equity" in this case.
1) Our hand is perfectly fine, if we get 4 bet;
2) there is a chance to trim the field, since MP is still quite deep with CO, and will be in terrible position post flop;
3) we can steal the pot on some boards with very little equity in 3 way pots, and on many boards when HU.
4) we add deceptivness to our squeeze range, and can induce some light stabs, because a lot of the best flops for us "favours the range of a caller", and does not favour our perceived range in the eyes of an average PLO50 player.
5) wanted to say sth about the impact to your redline, but decided not to do so
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09-12-2016 , 08:15 AM
In this spot, not a single hand you can 3-bet other than AA is perfectly fine against a 4-bet, or likes calling a 4-bet.

Having JT97ds is less bad than something like KK76ss, because your EV the times you get 4-bet is only -(around a few dollars) instead of like -$10.50, but yeah, let's not get excited over the prospect of putting in $36 with 43% equity.
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09-12-2016 , 08:31 AM
I've chanced my mind on this. Shove should be fine just expect to be behind when you get called. After running some numbers you have a slight edge in equity assuming the 3 players have top 20% of hands, which is probably reasonable. It's probably a slight +ev shove because of the times you get folds.
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