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06-14-2016 , 12:44 PM
HI
I am moving from Holdem to PLO and intend to take this very seriously. I've been trolling forums. Purchasing books including the excellent Mastering Pot Limit Omaha, watching videos the usual.
I want to play Zoom PLO with a few tournies thrown in. I have allocated $500 of my BR as a start. My question is where to start? I began on PLOZ2 which I thought was far to nitty with my BR and have instead been playing PLOZ5 which seems more sensible but still too nitty? Do you more experienced guys think I should work up from 5 or take a shot at PLOZ10?
All comments appreciated and sorry if this has been asked numerous times before which it probably has!!!
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06-14-2016 , 01:20 PM
Play PLO10, 50 BI is plenty.
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06-14-2016 , 01:28 PM
Thanks
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06-14-2016 , 01:59 PM
Play PL10 and then judge whether your mindset can take the beats / variance.
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06-14-2016 , 05:30 PM
Thanks again...I'm not usually prone to tilt so think I can handle the variance but then again 'swings' take on another meaning in PLO so yeah I'll start at 10 and see how it goes!
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06-14-2016 , 05:46 PM
yo
might not be the worst idea to play zoom5 or even zoom2 to get used to the game. a few hundred bucks won´t make the difference overall, but you´d be more comfortable playing if you´d have some buy ins behind you.
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06-14-2016 , 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by SolarAU
Play PLO10, 50 BI is plenty.
Plenty for a winning player. Start lower.
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06-14-2016 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
Plenty for a winning player. Start lower.
Agreed. If you're new to PLO, you don't know if you're a winning or losing player at PLO. If you're a losing player then no bankroll is enough.

So start lower, prove you're a winning player over a large enough sample size, and then move up and use a normal bankroll strategy.
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06-14-2016 , 08:08 PM
I disagree with the sentiment that new players always have to start at PLO2, PLO5 and crawl their way up out of nanostakes. I learnt the game at PLO50 myself. Just depends how much money you have and are willing to risk in a situation that could potentially be -EV for you.
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06-15-2016 , 01:43 AM
Even though you might be losing money in the beginning (we don't know exactly if you read/watched or worked through books and videos), moving down is also part of a BRM, so I wouldn't mind to start out at 10. You shouldn't forget that playing a 50 stack BRM doesn't mean that you are broke after losing 50 stacks.
If your mindset can't take it then you have to reevaluate your (BR) strategy anyway.

Edit: For a better judgement it would also be mandatory to know more about you, like how successful have you been with NLHE (=how good is your understanding of poker in general) or how important this hopefully "poker reserved only money" is for you (I guessed it's not too important, otherwise it would be a little too ambitious)

Last edited by rulaZ; 06-15-2016 at 01:48 AM.
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06-15-2016 , 05:18 AM
Thanks everyone for the constructive comments. I am splitting my time between playing and studying PLO and getting as much understanding of the game as possible. I will be playing at 10 because I think my education there will be better than sticking on the lower stakes. If I take some big swings and go down to 250 then obv I will re-evaulate and drop down. I want to move up in stakes and starting off from 10 and examining my results now seems logical. Thanks again. Appreciated.
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06-15-2016 , 08:45 AM
While 50BI is plenty for someone who is winning at a stake like plo10, I think there is reason to spend time playing more plo5.

Just grinding through hands and OPENING PLAYED HANDS IN HEM/PT after completion is huge imo. I mean that little window on the table that you can click a hand and then see how equities ran between different streets. I think that if you come from a hold'em background A LOT of things will shock you equity wise in PLO.

Basically, if you start swinging at PLO10 with a 50bi roll you might soon end up dusting off A LOT of buyins in a short period of time and when you open up the HH's in question the equities will reeeaaally surprise you. Btw, plo2 is a very different animal than plo5 and plo10. The difference between 5 and 10 is smaller but at least you won't see as much of the CONSTANT 0EV punting that you get at plo2

I guess this is more of general advice than BR specific advice: Look through how equities ran on different streets in hands you played to showdown and try to think about how ranges interact EV wise on different boards.
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06-15-2016 , 12:27 PM
If you're looking to get good enough to play outside of the nanos I would definitely recommend playing at least PLO5 and just being nitty to start out and understand how the game flows. The level of play at PLO2 is atrocious, it's fine for grinding up a roll but will teach you awful habits and won't really give you much room to think about or improve on your game (I'm assuming you know the basics). PLO10 is tougher because it's more aggressive.

Once you know what you're doing, unless you're really good, you just log in and ride the variance train wherever your BRM allows.
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06-15-2016 , 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by SolarAU
I disagree with the sentiment that new players always have to start at PLO2, PLO5 and crawl their way up out of nanostakes. I learnt the game at PLO50 myself. Just depends how much money you have and are willing to risk in a situation that could potentially be -EV for you.
Well, my point wasn't that you need to grind out a roll from the bottom, but that you need some confidence that you're winning before playing at a stake where you could quickly go bust. If the OP had said he could re-deposit $500 every month if necessary until he started winning, then I think starting at PLO10 (or PLO25) would be fine.
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06-15-2016 , 08:43 PM
Playing micro zoom rather than game selecting micro PLO regular tables is a massive mistake.


Just checked, the table VPIP at 2zoom right now is 24 ****ing percent (by far the lowest out of all stakes) there are over 20 tables of regular 2PLO with > 45% table VPIP running right now. I don't think I need to explain why choosing the regular tables over the zoom tables is the better option.
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06-15-2016 , 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by SeaKing
Playing micro zoom rather than game selecting micro PLO regular tables is a massive mistake.


Just checked, the table VPIP at 2zoom right now is 24 ****ing percent (by far the lowest out of all stakes) there are over 20 tables of regular 2PLO with > 45% table VPIP running right now. I don't think I need to explain why choosing the regular tables over the zoom tables is the better option.
if you're just trying to get better and dont care about profit at first you can probably learn a lot faster at zoom if you're not comfortable multitabling hard, other than that i agree
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