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I want you to check my lines in some hands I want you to check my lines in some hands

02-22-2017 , 09:35 AM
#1
    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    SB: $8.46 (84.6 bb)
    Hero (BB): $11.42 (114.2 bb)
    UTG: $11.47 (114.7 bb)
    MP: $11.42 (114.2 bb)
    CO: $55.54 (555.4 bb)
    BTN: $8.38 (83.8 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with A Q 8 5
    3 folds, BTN raises to $0.35, SB calls $0.30, Hero calls $0.25

    Flop: ($1.05) Q 5 7 (3 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $0.80, BTN raises to $3.30, SB folds, Hero raises to $10.91, BTN calls $4.73 and is all-in



    I think my donkbet is ok, but probably I should fold to a raise if V is unknown? I block some combos of AA so I'm probably way behind his range here


    #2
      Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
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      SB: $10.01 (100.1 bb)
      BB: $10 (100 bb)
      Hero (UTG): $12.35 (123.5 bb)
      MP: $10 (100 bb)
      CO: $10 (100 bb)
      BTN: $6.38 (63.8 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is UTG with J T Q A
      Hero raises to $0.35, MP folds, CO raises to $1.20, BTN calls $1.20, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.85

      Flop: ($3.75) J 2 K (3 players)
      Hero checks, CO bets $2.87, BTN folds, Hero raises to $11.15 and is all-in, CO calls $5.93 and is all-in

      CO is probably reg-ish, BTN is most likely a fish
      Should I fold this hand to a 3bet and a cold call from fish because it has no capability of making a nut flush?
      Also, do I have enough equity here to gii on the flop?
      ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
      2,553,480 trials (Exhaustive)
      board: KJ2
      Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
      AcQsJsTd40.30% 1,003,62950,855
      AAK, AAQT, KK, AKQJ, KQJT59.70% 1,498,99650,855
      I think we need ~43% and his range looks strong so I'm afraid my 13card wrap could be too weak...


      #3
        Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
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        SB: $12.49 (124.9 bb)
        BB: $9.25 (92.5 bb)
        UTG: $8.90 (89 bb)
        MP: $4.34 (43.4 bb)
        Hero (CO): $12.52 (125.2 bb)
        BTN: $17.18 (171.8 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is CO with 3 K 4 K
        2 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, 2 folds

        Flop: ($0.75) 3 J J (2 players)
        Hero bets $0.50, BTN calls $0.50

        Turn: ($1.75) 6 (2 players)
        Hero checks, BTN bets $1, Hero folds


        V was probably a fish
        I know this was weak since he should raise most of his Jx hands without flushdraws on the flop, it probably would be best to continue on the turn since he should be floating with many worse hands here.


        #4
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          SB: $43.55 (435.5 bb)
          Hero (BB): $22.49 (224.9 bb)
          UTG: $5.52 (55.2 bb)
          MP: $28.55 (285.5 bb)
          CO: $13.02 (130.2 bb)
          BTN: $46.88 (468.8 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is BB with 6 9 6 9
          UTG raises to $0.30, 2 folds, BTN raises to $1.05, SB folds, Hero calls $0.95, UTG raises to $4.25, BTN folds, Hero calls $3.20

          Flop: ($9.60) 3 8 T (2 players)
          Hero bets $9.19, UTG calls $1.27 and is all-in


          Should I fold this preflop after the original 3bet from BTN if we are this deep with 3bettor and OR is shallow? I guess so...
          After UTG's 4bet and BTN's fold we are probably commited since we need ~38.5% equity which we often have vs AA (although it's close to break even).
          Calling pre vs 4bet was obv a missclick or something, should have gotten it in preflop as played, but I think folding pre was the best option.

          #5
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            Hero (SB): $23.63 (236.3 bb)
            BB: $12.96 (129.6 bb)
            UTG: $20.07 (200.7 bb)
            MP: $8.25 (82.5 bb)
            CO: $10.35 (103.5 bb)
            BTN: $18.37 (183.7 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is SB with 9 A A 3
            UTG folds, MP raises to $0.30, CO folds, BTN calls $0.30, Hero raises to $1.30, BB folds, MP calls $1, BTN calls $1

            Flop: ($4) 7 K 5 (3 players)
            Hero bets $2.30, MP folds, BTN calls $2.30

            Turn: ($8.60) J (2 players)
            Hero checks, BTN checks

            River: ($8.60) 2 (2 players)
            Hero checks, BTN bets $4.53, Hero folds


            Both villains were probably fishy. I guess my 3bet is fine here then.
            What line should I have taken on the turn and river without info on V?


            #6
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              SB: $10.05 (100.5 bb)
              BB: $12.20 (122 bb)
              UTG: $17.38 (173.8 bb)
              MP: $9.81 (98.1 bb)
              CO: $15.39 (153.9 bb)
              Hero (BTN): $15.49 (154.9 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is BTN with 7 8 T A
              3 folds, Hero raises to $0.25, SB folds, BB raises to $0.80, Hero calls $0.55

              Flop: ($1.65) A 4 K (2 players)
              BB bets $1, Hero calls $1

              Turn: ($3.65) 2 (2 players)
              BB checks, Hero checks

              River: ($3.65) 2 (2 players)
              BB bets $2.90, Hero folds


              Again, villain was unknown to me.
              Is calling flop fine? Is checking back turn fine? And what about folding river?
              I think turn is pretty std, but really don't know what to think about flop and river.

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              Can't wait to see your opinions about these hands. Thanks in advance for any help.
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              02-22-2017 , 10:44 AM
              To many hands for one thread, you should keep each thread to ideally one hand but a couple is ok but this is a mess.

              Hand 1: Donkbet isn't the worst, wouldn't be donking here myself though. The 3-bet is absolutely terrible, we basically are isoing ourselves against better hands and wraps, that is not a range we do all that hot against. I doubt they are folding bottom/middle set at plo10. Not sure if you're aware but you basically are turning your hand into a bluff with the 3-bet.


              Hand 2: marginal open from UTG, flop is played fine.

              Hand 3: I probably would bet slightly smaller on flop but that's not a big deal. C-bet is fine. I've been doing a lot of checking here lately in spots like this where we're probably not pushing much equity when we are called. It better protects my checking range and I think it's much easier to play the hand out and we don't get bluff raised off our equity. I don't think he's raising all his J without a FD, J ****ty kicker probably flats and plays in a similar manner at this stake. As played I call the turn and reevaluate rivers.
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              02-22-2017 , 11:15 AM
              hand 1: what is your plan on turns if you get called? this hand is difficult to play after you get called. also blocking AA isn't relevant at all because players aren't going broke with an overpair here in a single raised pot
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              02-22-2017 , 11:19 AM
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by Darkfangs
              Hand 2: marginal open from UTG
              top 12% of hands, 4 broadway cards w/ an ace, strong connectivity with QJT and all 4 cards working together. this is far from marginal from UTG imo
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              02-22-2017 , 11:29 AM
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by this_passing
              top 12% of hands, 4 broadway cards w/ an ace, strong connectivity with QJT and all 4 cards working together. this is far from marginal from UTG imo
              You're not wrong, I just don't care for the q high fd from UTG in a game where we're likely to go 3-4 ways to the flop. I think the hand will play better in a game where you're likely to go HU postflop which isn't plo10. Although after saying that it is probably not a big deal at all because the players are horrible and will make mistakes and we'll get paid when we hit strong hands in general. Thanks for calling out my bs.
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              02-22-2017 , 11:56 AM
              hand 1

              The bottom of his range should be a wrap, maybe bottom 2 and OESD, then you have everything else to worry about. As it is just a single raised pot and 3 ways I expect your line to go broke in a vacuum. Even if he is bluffing I would just fold after he pots your bet.

              I am not sure about preflop to this day, it feels like a call but AQ85ws is pretty bad in the long run with action but it is a good hand if you can skillfully control the pot. Its boring and nitty to fold but this had has no real edge vs BTN as he ha s position, but SB range is pivitol, if he is tight in the SB then its a muck pre.

              Hand 2

              its not a drool spot at all, it is a pretty flat losing gradient no matter how you play it, both pre and post, , and you are stuck with it due to SPR, assuming villains are playing solid. Co should not be folding, his KK and AA is weighty, and you are ok vs these hands. there just isn't any gold in his range though unless he is b/fing lel. also AKQ and many other hands, but you hopefully have a large enough BRM because this kind of stuff happens constantly, PLO variance can be like limit stud games where you have to call every street because of pot odds, even though you are chasing. 1 call of a 3b pre is start of the chase but its easily ok to play this hand with 12% stack investment. PLO rake is a killer though.

              Hand 3

              There are more flush combos than J***? I woudl prefer a CRF or another bet than CF.
              If you think you ahve such read ont he flop then you could just be a fish, have enough respect to not respect them..

              Hand 4

              I don't know about this hand, maybe you have 30% of 'flopping good' but discounted by the redraws ,,, I just noticed you aren't 100bb deep, certainly just mucking 9966 after the 3b.

              Hand 5

              Two calls pre and this flop feels nasty. Nut suit but more importantly you're 93 is pretty ****ing terrible to play 3 ways with the narrow range. I don't know about this spot, sometimes on weak tables you can get away with making them both fold for like 37% pot, or get one caller and try to read the turn, or one just raises and you snap muck. Alot of value int his hand is if it will affect later hands and previous hands will affect what you do a tonne. What hands have you seen them with? If they are fishy then it certainly is harder to play post flop.

              From the SB you can double - 2.8x the bet or just complete and this is what I tend to do, it actually simplifies post flop this way.

              Hand 6

              I don't like you're line at all. Pre should be potting.

              Flop you can shave some off your bet.

              Turn and river , I am barreling turn. But it's interesting I suppose.
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              02-22-2017 , 04:05 PM
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by Darkfangs
              You're not wrong, I just don't care for the q high fd from UTG in a game where we're likely to go 3-4 ways to the flop. I think the hand will play better in a game where you're likely to go HU postflop which isn't plo10. Although after saying that it is probably not a big deal at all because the players are horrible and will make mistakes and we'll get paid when we hit strong hands in general. Thanks for calling out my bs.
              All I do is calling out BS. Nobody ever thank me
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              02-22-2017 , 04:23 PM
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by gay_on_tse
              All I do is calling out BS. Nobody ever thank me
              Let's compare the difference. He gave reasons to why it's BS. You just say **** like "This line is terrible, don't do this" and when asked why it's bad "I'm not going to spoon feed you". The way it's received is very different perspectives, also Andrew is probably the one of the nicest guys on this forum so I thanked him for the response since that's something nobody ever does around here in general. I got nothing against you just either, just stating why.
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              02-22-2017 , 07:17 PM
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by Darkfangs
              Let's compare the difference. He gave reasons to why it's BS. You just say **** like "This line is terrible, don't do this" and when asked why it's bad "I'm not going to spoon feed you". The way it's received is very different perspectives, also Andrew is probably the one of the nicest guys on this forum so I thanked him for the response since that's something nobody ever does around here in general. I got nothing against you just either, just stating why.
              You are right, thanks for pointing that out. To his credit, Andrew is also a much better poker player and articulate his thoughts much more clearly.
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              02-24-2017 , 07:33 PM
              Hand 1 is a preety huge overplay considering its a single raised pot,except if BTN is a mega drooler wholl do this with an overpair/no draw but even in PLO10 most guys will flats AA/KK OTF.
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              02-27-2017 , 01:42 AM
              Hand 1 - Fold to flop raise

              Hand 2. - Villain usually has AA a lot of the times here so not in too bad shape. If you out KK in his 3 bet range here then i call flop and jam non paired turns

              Hand 3 - Call turn and reavaluate river - a lot of the times this is a busted FD

              Hand 4 - With button folding im getting it in.

              Hand 5 - dont like 3 betting AA here OOP deep stacked as it telgraphs your hand. Asd played i call river and expect to see Kx22 :-)

              Hand 6 - I bet the turn here - he either missed or has a monster and the only likely two hands here is AK or KK but the check on turn is usually weak.
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