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How should my horse have played this? How should my horse have played this?

04-17-2014 , 03:35 AM
I dont play omaha so I can't really say for certain how this should be played so i thought i should ask the experts, yes that's you!

When i I first got into online poker i didnt have cash to deposit and freerolls were slow going, but a guy on the freeroll site I hang out on took a shot on me and even tho i was new he staked me $50 to play micro games. It worked out for both of us. So now if I come across a new member that seems like they deserve a chance, I'll give them one.

Alright so one of the guys i am staking is playing .02/.05 6max No limit omaha 3 players at the table. I really think that the horse played this as wrong as possible but like i said i dont play omaha.

Hero (BTN) $4.67
(SB) $5.50
(BB) $4.94

Hero has J 4 10 A
PRE FLOP action:
HERO: raises to $.30 SB: call BB call
FLOP- $.90 in pot 8 Q 6
FLOP action:
SB: bets $.80 BB: call HERO ???


edit- bet amounts were slightly off, fixed and correct now.

Last edited by nab76; 04-17-2014 at 03:50 AM.
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04-17-2014 , 03:51 AM
just realized this section is only for pot limit, mods please feel free to move this for me.
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04-17-2014 , 04:51 AM
Any small raise is obviously committing, we cant fold with a nutshot and nut flush draw, shove or call is fine. If we do shove it's likely we are going AI 3 ways, our hand has amazing equity in this case.

Tell your horse to buy in full
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04-17-2014 , 05:31 AM
It's the correct forum for No-Limit Omaha Hi hands. The title is such just because NLO is played on too few poker networks. (Does the Equity network now have 6-max $0.02/0.05 games? That's a great news, there was no PLO below $0.05/0.10 on Chico (Betonline), plus all PLO games were full ring!)

The preflop raise is too big, should have been made $0.25-0.30. There's no need to bloat the pot even in position because there's not much value to be had preflop - most of it comes from opponents flopping second best hands and draws.

For the same reason, I'd just overcall on the flop - at this limit, people will pay off with worse flushes and straights when we hit.

P.S. If you're planning to stake for a living, either concentrate on acquisition of horses who play games you understand yourself, or hire a PLO coach to train the horses and check whether they play well (preferably as early as at the application stage).

Last edited by coon74; 04-17-2014 at 05:37 AM.
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04-17-2014 , 08:00 AM
Getting staked $50 just doesn't make a lot of logical sense unless you are a losing player. No idea what the deal was but if you end up winning you are giving a big chunk of your money away. I mean it's $50 really not hard for most people to find that amount of money and deposit it themselves.
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04-17-2014 , 08:57 AM
Raise or call. I probably just raise, its unlikely we don't have >33% equity 3 way, we can maximise fold equity, and dont have to play guessing games on run outs like AT or 4J.
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04-17-2014 , 10:40 AM
The worst way you could play this is folding the flop, so unless your horse did not do that he didn't do too terrible I guess
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04-17-2014 , 11:27 AM
stake someone with 50 dollar..
What the hell? This is so absurd.
I mean.. If I would be a homeless I dont want to be staked with such an amount. Absolutly no sense.. Human stupidity has no limit.

Anyway wtf with the normal posters? Here is this one and another genious with his AA** against ~40BB..
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04-17-2014 , 05:08 PM
No limit omaha seems like a fun gamble LOL
where can I play this?
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04-17-2014 , 06:16 PM
I probably go all in at this point
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04-17-2014 , 08:04 PM
Saying that I was staked was probably to formal, basically the guy said "here is 50 bucks see what you can do with it and split the winnings with me at the end of the week." and that is basically what I do now. I have no intention of staking for a living or anything close to that, I really do it more for the fun of railing and talking through hands, if i make money it is just an added benefit. We are talking about very small amounts of money.

HERO shoves
SB: call BB: call
turn- 6 clubs
rive -10 spades

SB shows- 6d 8h 2 d 10 h
BB shows- ks 9d k d 7h

SB wins- full house 6s over 8s.

I really don't like shoving here, of course you are getting great equity if both players call, but if they do both call at least one of them has a set or 2 pair like 100% of the time and they have 2 cards left to boat up. So even if you hit ur flush on the turn, they still have outs, and if they boat up on the turn, your drawing dead.

Obv I like calling, if the board pairs you aren't losing any more money, if you hit ur flush they only have one card left to boat up if it blanks you are like 22-27% so call if pot odds say so.

Thanks for the input everyone.
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04-17-2014 , 08:08 PM
oh and I checked with my horse, and it was full ring. I really just assumed it was 6 max since they were playing 3 handed. lol like i said i dont play omaha.
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04-17-2014 , 09:32 PM
lol @youroppinion. Shoving here is obv +ev. Its not the best play though because there is SO much value in hiting your hand at these limits because people dont know what folding is and also there isnt as much fold equity for a shove as there might be in other limits. Your "horses" play was +ev though and certainly not bad and he certainly didnt play it the worst possible way like you said. I think your "horses" biggest mistake in this hand is play the hand with your money and not his own.
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04-17-2014 , 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by hackprotech
lol @youroppinion. Shoving here is obv +ev. Its not the best play though because there is SO much value in hiting your hand at these limits because people dont know what folding is and also there isnt as much fold equity for a shove as there might be in other limits. Your "horses" play was +ev though and certainly not bad and he certainly didnt play it the worst possible way like you said. I think your "horses" biggest mistake in this hand is play the hand with your money and not his own.
I dont understand, you say lol@ my opinion, and then say you agree with it?

Last edited by nab76; 04-17-2014 at 11:24 PM.
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04-18-2014 , 04:27 AM
I think people are taking the staking part too seriously.

Its really just a couple of guys ****ing around gambling with small amounts of money. Some would rather gamble $50 on a horse than stick it on a roulette wheel.
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04-18-2014 , 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ESKiMO-SiCKNE5S
I think people are taking the staking part too seriously.

Its really just a couple of guys ****ing around gambling with small amounts of money. Some would rather gamble $50 on a horse than stick it on a roulette wheel.
This, exactly this.
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04-18-2014 , 12:33 PM
Preflop raise size is fine; flatting the flop is def best, we have no pair on a board where there are enough two pairs and draws that aren't folding and therefore not very much fold equity.
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04-30-2014 , 05:26 PM
raise pot, gii
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