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How do you set your objectives? How do you set your objectives?

04-14-2015 , 04:35 PM
Hello, I'm here writing after another losing session.

It happens to me that I can win 9-10 HU SNG's over 2-3 days (I don't play very much and tend to be satisfied after a 2-3 streak) in a row and then lose 9-10 in a row just like if I forgot how to play.

I'm talking about 5€ HU SNG on PS.it, I am probably very bad for not being more than hopelessly breakeven in this game.

The question is: How do you set your objectives?

At the beginning of the year I planned to earn 1400€ which is 100€ a month + some extras and now I am only 65€ up and it is pretty much only RB coming from the FPPs I had in previous years.

The problem (I think) is that I tend to stop playing when I win (most of the people refuse rematch) and keep on when I lose.

So my questions are:
1) Does it make any sense to play HU SNG 4.64€+0.36€ considering the stacks 1500 and blinds 5 minutes 10/20, 15/30, 25/50, 500/100? I mean, is there edge?
2) Generally speaking, how do you set your objectives? Long term, mid term, short term, in terms of ROI, of money , of bb/100?

Thank you, I feel like I'm wasting my time and would like to understand why.
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04-14-2015 , 06:23 PM
Wrong forum but set a stop loss of 3 in a row? You'll never play enough to make that much money with that volume IMO.

I focus on making the best decisions every time I'm given a hand and then set long term goals based on win rates achievable at the stakes I play
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04-15-2015 , 04:47 PM
Firstly you need to have proper bankroll management set up. For 5Eur SNG I would have 30-50 BuyIns. When you start winning you should move up once you hit 30-50 buyins for the next level.

You need to find a stake/level that you can beat. You might have to move down first because you are not good enough, you need to study and get the fundamentals right firstly!

Set short and long term goals. Short term could be daily/weekly/monthly. Long term is 6 monthly/yearly. Goals I would set initially is to play a certain amount of SNG's a day/week etc.
See how much your roi is and try to do better, by studying the game and finding leaks in your game and your opponents.

HU SNG's can be very profitable, but you need to know exactly how to play them! Find a good training site like Deuces Cracked or Run It Once and learn from them how to play properly.
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04-15-2015 , 04:49 PM
Do not play rematches with people that are beating you, they might be better players than you. Poker is about finding players to play you that you can beat. Barry Greenstein said this once in an interview and it is pretty sound advice!
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04-15-2015 , 06:19 PM
Routine is important but only if your time is valuable. In poker time is incredibly value, you should stress yourself out just enough to progress and develop, for some this is 4 tables when they feel like it, for other its set times of sessions, for osme of those they may quit if not on their A game, for others they will grind through their C game just to get in the volume.

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1) Does it make any sense to play HU SNG 4.64€+0.36€ considering the stacks 1500 and blinds 5 minutes 10/20, 15/30, 25/50, 500/100? I mean, is there edge?
I've never grinded these games but seems easily beatable probably up to 1$ rake. As it stands you can take what? 53% edges? With those blind systems there will be many 100:0's available. to play.

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2) Generally speaking, how do you set your objectives? Long term, mid term, short term, in terms of ROI, of money , of bb/100?
I use to use alot of excel spreadsheets but it's become so second nature now I don't bother. As long as you follow a solid cognitive decision making rule set in the actual hands it doesn't matter. If you want x amount of money to buy Y thing, that actually doesn't matter. Knowing it doesn't matter and doing it anyway is probably key to a ridiculously well organised work ethic which makes certain great feats possible. I don't set objective of x% ROI my objective is 0 mistakes and 0 deviations from my core rule set. Money objectives I set only for BRM purposes. Long term is also going back to that question of buying things. Problem with poker is that why stop at 1 house when you can have ten.
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04-15-2015 , 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ValentinoH
Wrong forum but set a stop loss of 3 in a row? You'll never play enough to make that much money with that volume IMO.

I focus on making the best decisions every time I'm given a hand and then set long term goals based on win rates achievable at the stakes I play
It's the right forum because OP is talking about HU PLO SnGs. The stoploss of 3 BIs in a row is too nitty... I usually don't have it at all - instead, I assess my current psychological state, as it depends primarily not on the number of lost BIs but on the way they were lost (or even won), the physical health etc. And right, I think about decisions rather that money, and I get tilted by my mistakes more than by lost money. (But that's perhaps because I'm grossly overrolled for all the games that I think I can beat.)
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04-16-2015 , 12:15 PM
Well, I am now moving to PLO2 starting with a 30 BI Bankroll I had previously earned.
Every € rake is worth 9FPPs instead of 7 in cash games on PS.it.

I will post the hands where I have doubts in this section of the forum.

The problem is that I never feel I am worse than another player even after 5-6 games loss and this is a big mistake linked with my psychology.
I recognize that but do not get over it and that is not sign of intelligence.

I'm moving to PLO2 because it is closer to the idea of "hand by hand, decision by decision" while in SNGs many hands are played depending on stack sizes and blinds.

I have planned to play at least 3500 hands by the end of April and I will not move to PLO5 till I get 30BI for that.
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04-16-2015 , 07:00 PM
Sounds like you have a reasonable plan. There is definitely money to be made play HU PLO SNGs btw, but there's also money to be made playing cash games.

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The problem is that I never feel I am worse than another player even after 5-6 games loss and this is a big mistake linked with my psychology.
Part of that could be/probably is about your personal psychology but it's also pretty standard thinking for poker players to think this way, and at least to me there are pretty logical reasons for it. It's easy to identify a play someone else does and consider it "bad". It's a lot harder to classify a play as "good", and often you don't remember the times they make a good play. If someone calls pre flop with a hand that they should you might immediately think of them as a bad player, but when they make a good fold pre flop you never think of them as a good player (because you never know about it).

Another example is if someone check-raises all in on say a 993r board vs you and you snap call them with AKQ9 and they have TT52 you might go LOL WHAT A FISH. But if you're folding to the check-raise 75% of the time when you don't have trips+ the play is actually a good one and you just happened to be at the top of your range. Usually if they make the raise and you fold your air hand you think "damn they're lucky" or "well they must have hit and be at the top of their range so they win this pot" rather than "good play sir". It takes a lot of instances of them raising in such a pot and you seeing their cards before you can consider them to be playing well, in general.
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