Hi Guys and Gals.

Was looking over my stats and noticed that I am losing a ton of money in the blinds whilst making money in every other position. Am I able to do something to minimise the damage?? Does everyone lose from the blinds?? I'll attach 2 images hope maybe you can see if I am spewing off money at all or I am being too tight in certain areas!!

Also losing a ton of money when the pot is raised and called, any suggestions??

Let me know if you require any other stats or something that I've missed.

Bump.

I havent had HEM in a while but SB/BB should be your most losing position... also if you are losing when calling raises I am guessing you are not 3 betting enough if you are tight or calling too wide if you are loose .. esp OOP

edit: actually saw graph and you are playing OOP too much and defending way too wide... you actually play as much in your BB as your button!!

Hey Jack, thanks for responding. Now that you have pointed that out it seems pretty obvious. Folding more in the blinds should see my WR improve, right?

Yes, everybody loses from the blinds. The best players just lose less. Your lossrates from the blinds are reasonable.

A big leak I see is not adjusting your game enough for your position. You have a VPIP of 24% from UTG and 32% from the BTN. You should play tighter from UTG, and looser from the BTN (raising almost any hand that is folded to you).

It's hard to find too many more leaks based off just your preflop stats, since PLO is such a postflop game.

Cool Roy, thanks for responding. Which stats would you want to see or what should I look at myself (you probably better take a look though) postflop?

check-raise %s, how you react to cbets, how you react to missed cbets, stuff like that.

more than stats though you should filter for various scenarios and then go through the hands (or get a friend/peer to go through them) to find leaks and analyse your game. like filter for pots where you raise preflop, get a caller from the blinds, they check-call the flop and check to you on the turn. are you double barrelling enough? with the right hands? on the right board textures? etc. I know when you're learning it's hard/impossible to know what the "right" times to do those things are, which is why you post those hands to forums or send to friends. It's also spots like those which you should break down yourself sometimes and use logic and reason and math to work out if a bet or check is better and why - put yourself on a range, your opponent on a range, and see how you think they would react to various lines. Putting in the work like this is how you really become a good/great player, there aren't many shortcuts for most people.

River aggression is way too low, only betting 1 of 6 times whether as a value bet or bluff means you are doing way too little of both, your W$SD of 50% means you are regularly checking behind with hands that will lose anywhere from 60% - 100% of the time but would win with a bluff that same % of the time or higher. You also clearly aren't betting thin enough for value and not just missing the thin bets but medium thickness ones as well e.g. checking back any flush vs a player that both has 0 flushes himself and no river c/r bluffing range.

Low WWSF and W%SD means you are simply playing too tight passive

River call eff % in EP being much lower than the other positions probably means you aren't as willing to fold hands that were pretty preflop but turned (or rather rivered) into complete **** and probably c/c bluff catching too often with your AA/KK combos on boards with a low/medium pair on them like 57T7Q 248T8 etc which villain is likely to be betting 2/3 - 3/4Pot with a very value heavy trips+:bluff ratio of 3:1 or higher

You also aren't VPIPing enough on the BTN

BB vpip should be at least 10% higher, certainly not less

Few more stats of my post flop game
My bet flop, turn and river stats are 44/39/24
My fold to flop bet, turn and river stats are 60/65/63

The above stats are not cbets.



I am not sure how I'd go about playing more hands from the BB, I already feel like I am spewing way to much and should tighten up considerably from the blinds. I obv agree that I should loosen up from LP and tighten up from EP. I feel like I am double barrelling quite a bit in good spots though I might be wrong. I am also always trying to pick up pots that are not being contested, that get checked around on flops, then chked too me on turn.

This may sound a stupid question but i'm a nooblet.....but, if everybody loses money in the blinds, why not just fold every single hand except when it's BvB?

by folding every hand you lose 50bb/100 from the sb and 100bb/100 from bb. By playing hands from those positions you can decrease the lossrates.

Ahh got it.

so 42% vpip from BB?

that seems a bit high imo... maybe a leak in my game... idk ... I don't defend blinds much with medium hands let alone 42%... maybe in your game there are more min raises steals than pot raises????

I def don't 3 bet a ton from the blinds ...

he's probably defending bb way more than 42% against pot sized steals...and so am i

Even OOP?

yep, its seems like a strange concept to most ssplo players, but a lot of hs guys are doing it

I guarantee your avg fish in small stakes is calling wider than a high stakes out their BB.

I say this everytime and it really needs absorbed by anoyone wanting to improve their understanding.

THE COST OF THE BLINDS DISPERSE OVER ALL POSITIONS OVER LONG TERM CASH GAME (the exception is mtts) (You think that folding that BTN is costing you 0???????!?!?!?!?!?)

But carry on being on tilt and calling with bad position and bad hands because you want to improve your trackers win rate out the blinds... No one will listen. And it's great. It's like my little secret, event though I'm spamming it in people faces all the time.

Wanna bet?

I'll do whatever it takes (game wise) to increase my win rate out of the blinds, can't see how that can hurt me in any way.

I have been beating myself up about losing from the blinds in PLO cash for too long.
The reason I was so stressed about it was that in the past I learned poker on a game called double holdem. (3 card no limit omaha) Where I won from the blinds 0.11bb/100 from SB and 7.32bb/100 from BB over 310k hands. (graphs in my thread)
When the games got removed I switched to PLO and never won from the blinds again.
Lately I manage to almost break even from the blinds in NLH, but we don't like 2 card games.

Reading this thread I realize I have to let it go and focus more on other leaks. Great info thanks a lot everybody. Seriously.