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Hand vs Crazy 3Bet Fish Hand vs Crazy 3Bet Fish

08-22-2017 , 06:14 AM
Hey everyone.

Played this hand some day ago and i'm unsure if you can avoid this situation.

$0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi
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6 Players
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Stacks:
UTG Cr1st1n4_96 ($11.64) 116bb
UTG+1 HereYouWin ($10) 100bb
CO ziomax6811 ($5.26) 53bb
BTN Hero ($23.91) 239bb
SB donkerino ($9) 90bb
BB Aronaid ($19.56) 196bb

Pre-Flop: (0.15, 6 players) Hero is BTN K A 7 K
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, donkerino calls $0.25, Aronaid raises to $1.20, Hero raises to $3.90, donkerino folds, Aronaid calls $2.70
Flop: Q 3 J ($8.10, 2 players)

Aronaid checks, Hero bets $7.66, Aronaid calls $7.66

Turn: Q ($23.42, 2)
Aronaid goes all-in $8, Hero calls $8 River: 9 ($39.42, 2), 1 all-in

Final Pot: $39.42
Aronaid shows three of a kind, Queens
10 Q 4 2
Hero shows two pair, Kings and Queens
K A 7 K

Aronaid wins $37.42 (net +$17.86)

donkerino lost $0.30
Hero lost $19.56

Villain was 3betting every hand, even the junkies (like this for example).
So I decided to 4bet my Kings to eventually GII pre.
On the flop I decided to pot and commit, calling very wide preflop, fish can have all sort of weak holding, plus i have overpair+gutshot to the nuts.

The turn was actually the worst turn card ever, IMO.. And when he snap donk shoved the last 8$ in 23$, even if it's a very low SPR situation, i think i should fold this hand?
I snap called but mostly because i was tilted about the situation and didnt want to make the fish win this big hand against me, but thinking about it i think I should fold, because he has a lot of Qx...

Any thoughts?
Thanks to everyone
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08-22-2017 , 09:17 AM
If he's 3betting literally every hand then gg ul better luck next time this is standard

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08-22-2017 , 02:34 PM
Seems awkward because of the 4bet preflop 200bbs deep with dry KK. I prefer to play deep SPR situations with hands that only make 2nd sets. Obviously 4betting is not a mistake though given read.

Caveat: his 3bet stat isn't as important as his F4B stat.

Rest of the hand seems fine too, not gonna win SD high freq
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08-22-2017 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by DoOrDoNot
Seems awkward because of the 4bet preflop 200bbs deep with dry KK. I prefer to play deep SPR situations with hands that only make 2nd sets. Obviously 4betting is not a mistake though given read.

Caveat: his 3bet stat isn't as important as his F4B stat.

Rest of the hand seems fine too, not gonna win SD high freq
You don't need a set to stack off and make money at a 2 SPR against someone 3-betting this often.
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08-22-2017 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Rei Ayanami
You don't need a set to stack off and make money at a 2 SPR against someone 3-betting this often.
I'm just saying playing one pair is awkward and that's the majority of what you're going to have with dry KK. Also he could be 3betting and folding the majority of his range to 4bets, which with a hand that so strongly dominates his 3betting range (KK) leans us towards calling instead and keeping his range wide. This is why I mentioned his F4B stat being more important than his naked 3B stat. If he folds to a lot of 4bets I prefer calling with such a strong hand, if he calls all 4bets then 4bet all day.
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08-22-2017 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by DoOrDoNot
Seems awkward because of the 4bet preflop 200bbs deep with dry KK. I prefer to play deep SPR situations with hands that only make 2nd sets. Obviously 4betting is not a mistake though given read.

Caveat: his 3bet stat isn't as important as his F4B stat.

Rest of the hand seems fine too, not gonna win SD high freq
most unimportant stat ever.
also, OP doesnt need to state it. he folds 0% against 4bets.
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08-22-2017 , 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by sauhund
most unimportant stat ever.
also, OP doesnt need to state it. he folds 0% against 4bets.
I disagree it's unimportant but if it is low then definitely 4bet and pot pot
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08-22-2017 , 06:58 PM
yeah I didn't mention it but he was calling every 4bet.. obviously fishing around
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08-22-2017 , 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by DoOrDoNot
I'm just saying playing one pair is awkward and that's the majority of what you're going to have with dry KK. Also he could be 3betting and folding the majority of his range to 4bets, which with a hand that so strongly dominates his 3betting range (KK) leans us towards calling instead and keeping his range wide. This is why I mentioned his F4B stat being more important than his naked 3B stat. If he folds to a lot of 4bets I prefer calling with such a strong hand, if he calls all 4bets then 4bet all day.
I don't see how it's awkward -- you just bet pot and go from there. And that particular player type (3-betting tons and folding most of it to 4-bets) seems mythical.
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08-22-2017 , 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Rei Ayanami
I don't see how it's awkward -- you just bet pot and go from there. And that particular player type (3-betting tons and folding most of it to 4-bets) seems mythical.
You're probably right about the last part. Just thinking out loud. It's awkward because we need two bets to get in for a huge pot with one pair. I'm definitely not feeling great about pot potting with one pair. Sure the SPR is low, but the bets are almost a buyin each. It just 'feels' better to have hands that have good board coverage for deep 4bet pots and those hands don't usually contain pairs.
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08-23-2017 , 07:37 PM
nh
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