Re: mr bean would raw dog just about anyone i think (NC Thread)
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Originally Posted by GoGetaRealJob
Given Romney's popularity, I'm not surprised...
Romney is very unpopular. He is winning primaries, because he is the least idiotic out of the Republican bunch.
Obama is way too smooth, charismatic and likeable to be not reelected. That's why this Republican race features/featured only idiotes (maybe with a few exceptions).
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Originally Posted by yrmom
Obv a guy this rich like Romney doesn't plan on leveling the taxes to how the money is spread out in the country. He will leave the uber rich paying as much in % as the middle class.
Those ultra rich people always amaze me. They fight to keep their riches, try to avoid taxes or do shady stuff like Ferguson and Lederer to get even richer. I mean, after you got the mansion, the boat and the Lambo, what else do you need?
Worse is sometimes I think that if I was in their situation my greed would take over and make me do the same....
A few things:
Rich people dont care about taxes. Usually people who want to be rich do (upper middle class). The voting base is also stronger.
I dont think taxes play a major role though. And I think the reason why taxes arent raised, is because politicians think they wont be relected if they do so.
Taxes are pretty irrelevant, if the taxation system is not flawed. So an increase or decrease in taxes has not a huge effect on the country.
Idiot politicians who think it has and not doing what's correct have a major impact on the country though.
I would love to see a study on tax changes and the impact on elections. I bet it has a very marginal effect, if any.
Left parties are usually the ones raising taxes and they wont lose many voters if they raise taxes, because they usually raise them in areas where their voting base is not affected.
Vice versa is true for right parties.
Having said all of that, I like the Swiss system the most. But I love direct democracy.
Re: mr bean would raw dog just about anyone i think (NC Thread)
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Originally Posted by Spurious
Taxes are pretty irrelevant, if the taxation system is not flawed. So an increase or decrease in taxes has not a huge effect on the country.
Maybe not politically, but economically I believe so. Since the taxation in % is similar for the middling income, the rich and the very rich, the burden of taxation is effectively withheld by the people having less money, instead of the burden being shared in proportion of the money you have over the total in the country.
Either way, my point wasn't blaming the USA economy for sucking; I was contemplating the mentality of the very rich still trying to get richer.
Re: mr bean would raw dog just about anyone i think (NC Thread)
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Originally Posted by Spurious
Romney is very unpopular. He is winning primaries, because he is the least idiotic out of the Republican bunch.
Obama is way too smooth, charismatic and likeable to be not reelected. That's why this Republican race features/featured only idiotes (maybe with a few exceptions).
A few things: Rich people dont care about taxes. Usually people who want to be rich do (upper middle class). The voting base is also stronger.
I dont think taxes play a major role though. And I think the reason why taxes arent raised, is because politicians think they wont be relected if they do so.
Taxes are pretty irrelevant, if the taxation system is not flawed. So an increase or decrease in taxes has not a huge effect on the country.
Idiot politicians who think it has and not doing what's correct have a major impact on the country though.
I would love to see a study on tax changes and the impact on elections. I bet it has a very marginal effect, if any.
Left parties are usually the ones raising taxes and they wont lose many voters if they raise taxes, because they usually raise them in areas where their voting base is not affected.
Vice versa is true for right parties.
Having said all of that, I like the Swiss system the most. But I love direct democracy.
Re: mr bean would raw dog just about anyone i think (NC Thread)
Oh really?
If there is no debate, there is no thought about it. They are never thinking about it, they give it to their accountants and be done with it.
If they'd care about it, they would look over the work the accountant has done, I bet the majority never does it.
The marginal utility a dollar more in their pocket has, is so small, it would be retarded to spend precious time thinking about it.
If you really think someone like Bill Gates, Warren Buffett (I guess he is a bit of an exception, since he does think about taxes and is vocal about it) and other rich people think about how much taxes they pay, then I think you are from a different planet.
Two papers on the effect of taxation on economic growth.
Since I assume there to be a high correlation between things necessary for prosperity and topics rich people think and talk about, I feel convinced that taxes are one of the least relevant subjects on their minds.
For further reference, read Mark Cuban's blog entry on taxes.
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Originally Posted by DRoseMJD
basic republican argument is to keep taxes on rich low so that it will allow for economic growth and create more jobs
So by saying it, the argument is automatically correct?
Re: mr bean would raw dog just about anyone i think (NC Thread)
I guess to give an example of someone wanting lower taxes, you could name Mitt Romney who had no idea how much in taxes (percentage, real amount he definitely didnt know) he pays. I think that's pretty telling.
Re: mr bean would raw dog just about anyone i think (NC Thread)
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Originally Posted by Spurious
Oh really?
If there is no debate, there is no thought about it. They are never thinking about it, they give it to their accountants and be done with it.
If they'd care about it, they would look over the work the accountant has done, I bet the majority never does it.
The marginal utility a dollar more in their pocket has, is so small, it would be retarded to spend precious time thinking about it.
If you really think someone like Bill Gates, Warren Buffett (I guess he is a bit of an exception, since he does think about taxes and is vocal about it) and other rich people think about how much taxes they pay, then I think you are from a different planet.
I generally agree with your point, since there are so few rich percentage wise so logically the middle class votes must be the ones who as a group react negatively to tax increases in a way that is measurable in polls and elections.
However, I consider anyone who makes more than 400k/year rich, and Bill Gates and Warren Buffet have probably averaged closer to 400 mill / year (400 is the 1%, BG and WB are the .0000001, so it's not exactly a fair comparison. Not to mention that through their donations and their lobbying and their company's donation, they have a ton of influence in giving a candidate momentum, and consequently shaping public opinion and policy.
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