Hand was played on my mobile so no proper hand history and mostly through memory.
Will try to make it readable.

6 Handed Zoom PLO10. Readless.

Hero (SB): AAT4
Villain (MP)

I have around 120BB, he covers.

Villain Raises 3BB
All Folds to me.
Hero 3bets to 11BB
Villain Calls.

Flop: ATT

Hero?

You've flopped the utter doggy's bollocks, only runner, runner quads or straight flush can beat us. Our perceived range in these games, once you re-pop it is usually AAxx or some heavy suited high card combo.
With our cards, perceived range and flop the villain will most likely have none of it making this question trivial.
You bet or check it down and you won't get a cent no matter what you do, he ain't putting any money in ever.

But what if he did hit a piece?
Maybe the case 10 in his hand.

We bet and he might call assuming a AA full house should be slowing down, but check and he might bet into you, whether now or later streets but the second you c/c, the alarm bells is going to flare all round.

I always want to stack an opponent when I flop an almost invincible hand but in a game of Omaha, flopping the invincible usually means your opponent hits zero.

Are we just doomed to win the minimum each time?
How do you guys play it?
Fast play is the new slow play? Or do we just keep with slowing down and hoping he catches up with something to the point where we're down to the river with f all in the pot losing our chance of getting a bit more from our opponent?

One thing I realized is people here on 2p2 that have a profitable answer usually don't give their honest opinion. Good luck getting a straight answer especially in a pot like this.

Of all the posts on this board, this is is a post where you think this will be the case?

Bet 20% pot, exactly like you would if you had no piece of this flop. He's prob calling with any ace and obv at least calling a T. Plenty of villains at 10PLO that will call two bets with AK, and not many that will see red and barrel off with air.

i just bet, i pray he has a ten, even if he has a ten and you check he'll check behind alot, you'll never get that much money from these hands as V should be playing very carefully against your range on this board

There really isn't a good answer, because every opponent is different.

Some players will call one bet at some point just because they don't believe you have AAxx or Txxx, but as soon as you bet a second time will fold out.

Some will bluff at the flop and fold to any reraise.

Some will fold to any bet, anywhere, even if they were to make a straight.

Unless you have reads on your opponent from previous hands, just lead out for 60% pot, if he calls, you can check turn to try and induce a bet.

For the most part, unless your opponent is adventurous or an idiot, you're not getting much more out of him / her on this flop.

haha

Then identify population tendencies. Even when you can't, you can construct strategies that are "robust" (i.e., good against a wide range of reasonable counter-strategies).

Even in total informational vacuums, there are nearly always "good answers" -- good "default" approaches. Here it's going to depend on how wide OP is 3-betting pre given the positions.

check, wait and see if a KQJ comes on river or he bets. This is more likely by far than him having a T or seeing value in his range. And when he sees value in his range he will bet. He may also bet if he doesn't. It's not likely his air will want to continue but this is a good spot if you got your villain tilted.

I don't like betting against the 2 cards he can have. Getting 2 bets out of him would be running good. Quads is better when you got 22-66

Straight flush card may come on turn, don't want to bet and fold him out. Even if it is small plenty players at this stake will just fold unless they have A or T

Kd top of my bet turn range of turns

My post had more to it than the single line that you quoted, but I appreciate you twisting my response to make it seem like it had very little content to it. Tendencies were stated, an answer presented, and an overall conclusion on the profitability of such a spot.

OP pretty much answered that question, but I'm going to make an assumption that you did not read his entire post.

The line I quoted is a complete falsehood -- there is a "good answer", and "every opponent [playing differently]" doesn't suggest the opposite. Your first sentence would have remained untrue, and thus deserving of criticism, even if you followed it with a 1,000-page manifesto, and your posited equivalence between not quoting your entire post and "twisting your response" is pretty damn weird.

The point of the line you quoted was to communicate what variable the SB's correct default approach is most sensitive to. Nothing else. Whether he answered that question or not is beside the point*.


*Now that we are on the subject, he didn't (not that he had to) -- "usually AAxx or some heavy suited high card combo" is far too vague. I suppose I'll assume that you misread his post.

Someone here did give the correct answer, which is shocking.

So much convo for a hand like this 0_0

From the way you carefully construct your posts, you're clearly a sharp guy. If you spent half as much time providing answers to the actual question as you do criticizing peoples responses, the entire forum would benefit.

I get that you think I've got nothing to contribute and that all of my answers are ridiculous because I responded to a single thread indicating I wouldn't 4 bet a hand, but seriously, spend more time responding to the question at hand instead of looking for all the faults in people's posts. You've got way more to offer than that.

Feel free to respond however you wish, I won't be reading or contributing in this thread again.

You've crippled the deck. The hand looks pretty but you are unlikely to win much with it unless you are up against a reckless idiot, or got very lucky, and he hold both the case A and the case T.

Bet your normal C-bet size, and pray that he's either an idiot or got extremely unlucky.

If you got called on the flop, than it might be likely that he's floating you or do hold the case T and Ace...check the turn and let him hang himself by either 'value-betting' his smaller house or on a bluff.

checking is a good way to play some of your A*** hands + some KK/QQ hands, so you can easily take a line that starts with a check that would have him believe he has the best hand with AK or T***. this also let's him hit a 2 outter with his pocket 88 or w/e if he has that

it's too difficult to get 3 streets of value from hands aside from AT so don't think you can or be disappointed that u can't.

just think about your air hands like 9876 too when balancing your checking/betting ranges in spots like this on boards that hit your range harder than his

#1 Bet, if called check to on the turn.
#2 Check -- expect a check behind -- then #1 only for the river now.
#3 Check -- if bet to, call and try again on the turn.

The idea is to get the value bet on the river of about 3/5's of the pot.

Can make a little bit more unless the dude flopped a freak like ATKK or something.

But sometimes, even good players can make spectacularly bad plays.

I would say things for meta game reasons but this is zoom. History doesn't matter.

No claim to being right or wrong, just the way I see it. If you're in your regular game with regular players, you're going to vary.

But I have criticized mostly your responses, not quite everyone's. Such "criticism" takes up <5% of my SSPLO time, so your estimates are all wrong.

Stop taking things personally -- you have a habit of perceiving antagonism where none is intended. This is a ****ing discussion forum. When you say blatantly incorrect things (or things considered as such), people are going to post rebuttals. You tend to just immediately flip your **** and accuse people of all sorts of weird nefarious nonsense. Stop that.