Hero (BB): $685 (114.2 bb)
SB: $600 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3 K 6 4
SB raises to $18, Hero raises to $54, SB calls $36

Flop: ($108) 9 Q 6 (2 players)
Hero ?

thoughts on flop check/bet and if so bet sizing 4 hands into the game haven't seen villain play previously.

I think my standard would be to check/fold. Your fold equity should be very low on such flop and double barreling is really high variance (especially since we dont really know which cards are good/bad for the villain)

flat pre

c/f as played

I actually dont mind the preflop 3bet, I think its pretty standard in these games

Sure, the games are very aggro - but we are going to 3-bet 30-40% if we include hands like this. (I'm not saying we should 3-bet a linear range)

I think this isn't a bad 3bet from the point of view of board coverage. Its nice to be able to cbet low flops after we 3bet with hands that want to GII. You can overdo it of course - high cards being inherently better and all that but its fine to have a few hands like this in your range.

I agree with c/f flop

Board coverage is important, though 3-betting 38% to get board coverage is not a very strong argument imo.

this hand can fit nicely into a 20% 3bet range. not sure where u'r getting the 38% from

Agreed.

Personally I'm OK with 3b most DS hands HU that have at least some connectivity but I think both flat and 3b are fine... that being said w/o reads I think flatting might be slightly better.

Post-flop I'd have to disagree with Grethe and apo5tol here. There's a lot of hands villain can have that will still fold to a c-bet - think about how wide he's probably opening and how often most villains will call 3b IP. I think overall it's pretty close - I sort of hate c/f a pair + 2BDFD's tho so I'm leaning towards preffering a bet. as for sizing, I'd probably go 60% pot. I think if we c/f tho it sort of highlights the fact that readless we probably shouldn't be 3b this hand just yet.

Hand is 38%ish percentile multiway (pokercalc wise), and only 58% heads up. I'm OK with the 3bet as part of a mixed strategy or if you keep other double suited hands out of your range.

Agreed with c/fing flop. There are other less coordinated boards we can be cbetting on even if we feel villain is on the nittier side. If we do cbet flop, we absolutely have to follow it up with turn and probably river barrels.

I cbet this, Are you guys c/f all hands weaker than this?

Yeah, 38% is wrong.. But it's actually worse:


If villain knows we are 3-betting this wide, he's not folding this board very frequently. Even if he dont know, I think betting is a pretty bad strategy: Out of position, very few good turncards, no blockers, reverse implied odds, not an advantage rangewise (if any). GG redline

Robust 3-bet ranges are typically very discontinuous as far as PPT rankings are concerned. Compare this group of flats in the 25-40 region to 3-bets like the low (6/7/8) zero- and one-gappers, most of which have sub-40 rankings.

Having 2 bdfd + a pair and xf is criminal imo

you're obviously a much better hu player than me, but what do we do if called if the turn is..well..anything?

Why u say im a much better player ?

Well, you play higher stakes and have better results. You also have a lot more expirience in HU, while I barely play any.

Ok, well im not sure if im better or not.

Back to the hand... I see this hand pretty similar as pair+gs , so I would play it that way.

You dont think we are betting too frequently if we bet this marginal? I mean, it's not like we are going to have ****loads of equity on 80% of turns - and our range consists of several better candidates to both one street stabbing or 3 bullets imo

3b pre into cf seems really bad

3bing if you are waiting to hit a top pair or something.. with K634... seems dumb/hopeful

anyway I would flat pre vs everyone but aliens who are lag pre but patheticly passive post flop (in other words I'm always flatting pre) and then check flop. Why would want to 3b this hand OOP.

This talk of it being in a 20% range and playing linear/non linear ranges. Kind of interesting (but no way it is as 'good' as 20% no matter how you look at it). But This hand is not going to fit in a 20% 3b range as there is easily going to be 30% of hands I'd rather 3b without this weird balancing act of having staggered ranges opposed to being actually accurate in how you perceive strength. I think staggering is only good relative to your sizings so you kind of 'square' their inability to read you. If you have just one betsize in pre and 3b it doesn't seem like much point to stagger ranges.