Co calls $0.25 ($15.50)
I raise button to $0.90 with 6 6 8 8 ($18.55)
SB (covers me), BB (covers me) and CO call

Flop is 5 7 2 ($3.60)

SB checks
BB bets $3.60 ($7.20)
CO calls $3.60 ($10.80)
I raise all in ($28.80)
SB folds
BB calls
CO calls ($55.50 final pot)

Turn 5
River 7

Just wondering what everyone's thoughts are about how to play on the flop? At first I thought happy to go all in straight away but not too sure looking back

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i would call, your flush draw is often not good.

Your raise sizing is well over pot; is this nlo? Either way, don't raise flop.

The number in parentheses seems to be just the pot size at that stage in the action, and he raised all in to somewhere around $18. OP it should be sufficient to give pot sizes on each street.

^ Yeah, it makes sense. I gathered that's what it was for the BB and CO, but lost it with the jam.

With two backdoor quad draws your shove on the flop is pretty much GTO.

And now honestly: You have effectively 8-10 outs. The flush outs are likely no good, so you have 3 fours, three nines and maybe (if they're good too) two 6s and two 8s. Not a good spot to shove the flop. So two options: be a disciplined nit and fold or call and re-evaluate turn.

This move (and this hand in general) is much better HU, esp. vs. someone cbetting a lot.

If you call flop there are some difficult turns, but 5 wouldn't be one of them.

Very easy shove with those stack sizes.

Calling doesn't work. Stacks are too shallow for us to get away from most turns. There are plenty of draws villains could have where our 88 is best so we can't just be folding to blanks let alone when we hit our flush. We have to just try and stick it in and hope to force random garbage off their equity.

On the flop we have all fours and all nines so 8 clean outs. If we can deny some equity by folding out higher flush draws then we have more outs.

I prefer to limp behind preflop, when cutoff calls BBs donk he's likely to have at least one of our draws dominated, and often our pairs in addition. I can't see him calling with just a naked overpair so I dunno what a shove accomplishes. With the pot that big he's unlikely to fold much

Lol like what, 2-4 overcards with a flush draw is doing good, overpair + FD is ahead

Random garbage doesn't call a PSB donk bet and then fold to a shove

Even against the exact hands that we do bad on the flop against, we probably still have odds to call a blank turn. The BB will be shoving in for 1/4 of the pot. But just generally, call flop, fold turn is a HORRENDOUS line with this hand. BB villain is a shortstack just getting it in, CO is a limp/caller who's calling on a low board. Either villain can have anything.

I mean it doesn't really matter then, we're getting value from that garbage. Point is we aren't giving free cards.

You can at least make an argument that call/call is a better line than shoving as an alternative way to getting it in (I would disagree), but acting like our hand is just too weak generally to get it in is completely ludicrous with these stack sizes.

Those are just a couple examples of hands we're doing not great against. Some other ones would be wraps with higher flush draws, sets with higher flush draws, 2 pairs with higher flush draws. I don't think we can make too many conclusions about fuzzy ranges, but we can draw from the action that the initial bettor has something made because he donks pot and the caller likely has a draw because he just called. If he has a draw its likely that it dominates our draw, so we can discount either our flush or straight outs and sometimes both and are now counting on one of our draws being good, but it isn't good enough to get stacks in on its own. Our hand is deceptively weak here, especially given action.



I dont think we get value from much, it's really a marginal spot and I don't like it. If anything we should be getting to a cheap showdown here and a bet and a call has destroyed that option for us.

As for action given, I agree if you're going to get it in shove. Calling is not as good

having position its pretty big in this spot. We really aren't that happy with our flush draw so raising the flop is a little spewy. When he donks out into you it seems strong to me like he has a premium holding so I am not comfortable raising this. I think we can find better bluffing opportunities on different turn cards that could scare off the opponents. Say he has 2 pair and the turn is an A he will probably check fold at that point. I dont really want to raise an opponent giving the hint he flopped strong on the flop. I just don't see enough fold equity in that particular situation for it to be profitable to raise.