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Flop 13 card nut wrap on flush board w/o flush draw Flop 13 card nut wrap on flush board w/o flush draw

06-05-2017 , 02:52 PM
Alright, I've been playing PLO for a while, and I admit that I am not very good. The following hand is one where I am unsure about the right action on the flop and then the turn.

I am looking for comments on the flop and turn. But, pre-flop and river comments are welcome, also.

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 170.7 BB (VPIP: 32.84, PFR: 19.40, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 68)
UTG: 200 BB (VPIP: 24.23, PFR: 16.74, 3Bet Preflop: 5.21, Hands: 231)
Hero (CO): 100 BB
BTN: 305.4 BB (VPIP: 58.97, PFR: 30.77, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 39)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 73.49, PFR: 20.48, 3Bet Preflop: 2.50, Hands: 83)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A J K Q

fold, Hero raises to 3.5 BB, fold, SB calls 3 BB, BB calls 2.5 BB

Flop: (10.5 BB, 3 players) 5 T J
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets 7.5 BB, SB raises to 26.2 BB, fold, Hero calls 18.7 BB
This is a pretty good flop for my hand, at least I feel that way at first. When I get check-raised, I call because I have a "13 nut out wrap" ignoring the fact that it's more of a 9 out wrap when you remove the flush cards. I also could hit and lose on the river.

I don't know if this is a good call, but getting stacks in will likely mean I am getting the money in bad. Folding seems really weak. I haven't played a ton of hands against this other player. I don't know how strong his c/r range is. I could be in really bad shape and probably flipping at best. I call, figuring that I have position and want to see the turn.
Turn: (62.9 BB, 2 players) 3
SB bets 44.8 BB, Hero calls 44.8 BB
This turn should be good for me. If I am against the same wrap (or similar draw), I have the flush draw as a backup. Villain leads. I don't think a fold is ever right here. I think a raise has no fold equity, and I don't know if I make more getting it in here or waiting to try and get it in, if I hit on the river.
River: (152.5 BB, 2 players) Q
SB bets 25.5 BB and is all-in, Hero ...
I don't think I should ever call here, even hitting the straight, because a lot of the flop c/r range should include flush draws.
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06-05-2017 , 04:18 PM
Yooo don't fold getting 6 to 1. He can show up with a frustrated set/desperate bluff here often enough to make a river call profitable.

Although you're gonna lose mostly.
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06-05-2017 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by JStoz
Yooo don't fold getting 6 to 1. He can show up with a frustrated set/desperate bluff here often enough to make a river call profitable.

Although you're gonna lose mostly.
LOL, that makes me feel a little better. Because that was my thought process when I called. I was thinking "He could have something like TT98 and be spazzing out or JJxx with just the Ace of clubs and it's a small bet compared to the pot." He is playing 73% of his hands, so there's good reason to suspect that he's not a good player or thinking about how I am almost certainly going to have to call. There were a few hands that I thought he might bet where I beat him. But, I am a fish. I try to fight that logic.

Of course, if I am never folding the river, shouldn't I just get the rest of the money in on the turn?
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06-06-2017 , 01:38 AM
Jam turn all day

Even if you are calling all rivers villain might abandon some cheesy semi-bluff with naked flush draw or akqx no pair
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06-06-2017 , 04:51 AM
wp if u called the raver on the river like a raven
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06-06-2017 , 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
Jam turn all day
this
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06-06-2017 , 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by insanityisagift
wp if u called the raver on the river like a raven
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06-07-2017 , 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by monikrazy
Jam turn all day
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06-07-2017 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by FrankyRizzo
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Ya dont see why call the turn. Makes it to weird on the river. Pretty much have to call anyways. I dont mind reraising the flop and getting it in vs more loose aggro type opponents.
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