I was playing hold'em all night and card dead for about 5 hours (I played 2 ***** hands in 5 hours) so I hopped in the 1/2 PLO with my very basic knowledge of it, bought in for $200 in a 1/2 $5 bring in $200 min buy-in, no max.

Villian older Jewish man, seems quite wealthy, but doesn't dress like it knows everyone by name bought in for 2k, then rebuy for 5k, and in for like 10k or so now (sitting on an 8k stack) He is constantly announcing pot preflop, and barelling lots of runouts, just very aggressive.

Hero ~1.3k (nearly all from this man)

6 handed
UTG calls
MP calls
SB Villian pots it to $25
BB Hero calls with A2JT is this too loose considering we're 250bbs+ eff (or is it 650bbs eff, the bring in is confusing)

everyone else folds

flop: $60
345

I check
he bets $50
I c/r to $170 (is this a mistake? with so much equity and playability on different runouts I think c/ring here was a bad play)
he calls

turn: $380 (after rake)
3453

I check
he immediately announces pot for $380
I call

I think it's too soon to give up, I also have a straight flush redraw (1 outer) and he could be bluffing

river: ~$1,080 (I have $800 or so behind now)
34538
I check
he immediately throws in a chip and says all in

Hero: ???
I don't think having a call turn fold river range is a bad thing, and if there was a hand to choose to do it with, it would be this. I block spades, I don't block 67, I don't block any full houses. Should I be letting this go? I think my biggest mistake was c/ring flop for value

In reality the best play is to repot him preflop here, but I understand that live dynamics and variance and stufffff makes it so one doesn't want to do that

I really don't know what to say about postflop. It's confusing since you're somehow OOP while being bb vs sb pre..I guess you really are OOP though. I'd check/Call him down all 3 streets buuuut I'm likely results oriented in saying that

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I'd probably take it easy on myself and just c/c down 3 streets, not even really looking at the board.

If variance didn't exist, yeah its an easy 3bet pre, and correct play probably is to c/r flop and maybe even barrel turn for value. As played, no I don't think you can fold here given your read.

If hero folds river he should probably just fold turn as he can only improve vs a straight and still loses to a boat

I think flop cr is fine and think leading the turn would be better, its not clear villain would jam on you with worse

In live games to some players when someone CR a flop like that it screams "I have a made hand and want you to fold." so they'll float in position and try to get you to fold when a scare card hits.

Try to keep the pot small for cheaper river bet or call flop and CR the turn?

Sorry, I think he was BTN and I was lone BB or something, maybe SB it was 7 in the morning and this hand was a few days ago. is A2JTsscc really a 3bet candidate? I thought I'd want a better rundown/more nutted hands.

so your line would be c/c flop and then c/c turn and river, which is how it would've played out if I didn't c/r flop


What am I getting value from OTT? I have the lower end of the straight, blockers to the flush draw, and am drawing to 2% vs a boat.

You still lead turn when it pairs? I'm having a lot of trouble figuring out how to play my range with 4 cards, is it a bad thing to have float turns and river folds though otherwise we'd be very exploitable c/ring flop and folding as soon as the board pairs.

I've been CRing as a bluff too, I had QQQ7 in the BB and called the $5 bring in (did not know, it cost me $5 in the BB was my first hand in the BB), and CR'd an AKJss board, and barreled it all 3 streets and got 2 folds OTR when the board bricked out (I showed that hand)

can I really CR that turn when it pairs the board? I'm new to PLO, but what am I hoping to get value from OTT?

Playing the player, ranges, and playing in position are even important in PLO than NLH.

IMO a 3 is more likely to hit your range than his so he might fold to a CR on the turn, but as you said he's a maniac. Check calling all three streets might have at least gotten you to showdown.

Your hand is a perfect example of why playing the wheel is so difficult in PLO and should be generally avoided. Being OOP makes it even harder

I mean it wouldn't be good vs anyone reasonable, but described villain is the furthest thing from reasonable. He's a drooling tilty whale down 20 buyins in a session of live poker, he can just put you on spades and stack off with naked QQ.

Also, since IMO you have to stack off anyway, its not like you avoid anything by going into c/c mode. There's probably more value in picking up one-pair and random draws that can't fold than there is inducing bluffs. That isn't however true after a flop c/c since that isn't nearly as much of a show of strength as a c/r. Check/calling down 3 streets still means you're putting a lot of your stack in and just have to eat it when villain shows a boat, but I prefer that line since its better at inducing.

damn, I thought I made the correct play by folding river, I showed him my A2, and he rolls over A57Tr. My first instinct was to call on such a blank river, but he was potting every hand, so I couldn't discount 55/44/33/53/43 from his range even a little bit. That's exactly how I'd play a boat in that situation too.

still ended up making $800 off him for my first PLO session, and actually really enjoyed the game compared to last night's NLHE sesh of 4 hands over the last 5 hours (literally 4, I also lost $56 in $1 flips during this time XD)