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07-26-2016 , 09:20 PM

OmahaFanatical4

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07-26-2016 , 09:39 PM

Mindead

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I think you did, his range has to be something like A+.

You need 42% to break even.

You are 36% to hit.

But against that strong range, your equity should be less than 36%.

This is a interesting hand to check in the Poker Juice peel and s.o module, to check if calling and dodging pairing cards and continue in non pairing cards turn is ev+.

P.D: Just did it, I gave villain a range of 3bet preflop 6%, and betting flop with A+. You have 34% against that range on the flop, and you need 40.20% to stack off.

By peeling and dodging all pairing turn cards, you would be losing 7bb in that move. So better folding. (it was something close anyway)

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07-26-2016 , 10:25 PM

Darkfangs

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On the flop it's an easy fold. We have 35% against any Axxx hand and 38% hand against an overpair. Even if he has JT98ss or some hand along those lines we still only have 40% which isn't good enough with how few times he will show up with that.

We need 41% to stack off here, fold.

The real mistake here is pre, we flop about as good as we can possibly flop and we still don't have enough to GII, that should lead you to not playing this hand pre much at all, especially from the SB. It is probably playable from button or BB in certain situation single raised heads up pots but the hand doesn't have much going for it.

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07-26-2016 , 10:26 PM

raabs27

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Do you have any stats on the guy I'm guessing he is a decent player sitting that deep and could have 3 bet many hands pre. And if he doesn't have AAxx he can rep it very easy on that flop. If you had some more info on him i could see it being worth while to peel 1 card

Edit. Also if he did flop a big hand as in AAxx do you think he would full pot its the driest board you could ask for

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07-26-2016 , 10:43 PM

Mindead

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Originally Posted by raabs27

His size seems more like A+ with kickers unwilling to fold a shove.

Anyway, assuming a range of A+ can't be a mistake.

squeeze stat would be nice. But in plo, squeezing light is rare and also non sense, specially oop, so we have to give him a strong range here without any specific data.

P.D: facing a pot bet just made things easier for us, now we know he is unwilling to fold, thus facing a strong range.
An aggressive tought oponent, could try to still this pot by betting small the flop, making things harder for us with our hand if betting strongs too that way.

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07-26-2016 , 11:35 PM

raabs27

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Also another question for OP if you call this pre and hit one of the better flops you could ask for and then fold why even play the hand?

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07-27-2016 , 12:06 AM

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I agree hand is honestly barely playable, especially from sb. Flop is an easy fold after the guy cbets for pot. Smaller sizings I consider calling.

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07-27-2016 , 07:19 AM

Loctus

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I think pre is a fold to the btn open

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07-27-2016 , 08:14 PM

Z06Fanatic1

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yea this is a garbage hand pre....with that said id donk pot the flop

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07-28-2016 , 05:43 AM

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gay_on_tse

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Originally Posted by Z06Fanatic1

yea this is a garbage hand pre....with that said id donk pot the flop

WUT???

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07-28-2016 , 09:32 AM

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Darkfangs

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The theory behind that I think is that if we donk pot and get shoved on we have the required equity to GII. That way we never have to fold! /s

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07-28-2016 , 09:44 AM

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SolarAU

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Lol just over committing yourself in a bad spot by donking, seriously? Worse equity hands fold for sure, and better equity hands just jam on you, why?

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07-28-2016 , 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by SolarAU

Lol just over committing yourself in a bad spot by donking, seriously? Worse equity hands fold for sure, and better equity hands just jam on you, why?

You're actually wrong, you don't make worse equity hands fold.

In case you haven't noticed hero has a hand where quite literally every other hand, other than specifically 3456, has better equity than hero does.

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07-28-2016 , 12:51 PM

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Loctus

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^that post came out "sounding" a lot bitcher than I meant it to, by the way

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07-28-2016 , 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SolarAU

Lol just over committing yourself in a bad spot by donking, seriously? Worse equity hands fold for sure, and better equity hands just jam on you, why?

The idea is that with a c/r villain already committed himself with weak aces and maybe even random eights. Donk-potting gives us the best chance for fold equity since villain needs ~42% instead of ~22%. Its a little awkward though since there's basically nothing we should be donk-potting for value on that board. Also I still don't think we get quite enough folds, but if SPR were just a tad lower its easily the best play.

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07-28-2016 , 02:08 PM

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Z06Fanatic1

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Originally Posted by SolarAU

Lol just over committing yourself in a bad spot by donking, seriously? Worse equity hands fold for sure, and better equity hands just jam on you, why?

I don't think you understand the point......you're getting better hands to fold (KK,QQ,maybe AK,AQ) and even vs 2 pair we have 34%.......its pretty tough for AK to call here with our stack size

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07-28-2016 , 09:13 PM

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gay_on_tse

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Originally Posted by Z06Fanatic1

I don't think you understand the point......you're getting better hands to fold (KK,QQ,maybe AK,AQ) and even vs 2 pair we have 34%.......its pretty tough for AK to call here with our stack size

AKXX have a tough time? Ok sir

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07-29-2016 , 04:00 AM

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MartinK1979

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Fold preflop!

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07-29-2016 , 07:07 AM

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Rei Ayanami

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BB thinks he's tough stuff with that $1800 stack. I'd 4-bet pre to assert dominance.

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07-29-2016 , 08:06 AM

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PastyDonkey

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Originally Posted by Rei Ayanami

BB thinks he's tough stuff with that $1800 stack. I'd 4-bet pre to assert dominance.

I was thinking the same thing. Big stacks always try to bully the table, so all we need to do is 4bet to rep aces. Then all the high flops we take down because he is scared and all the low flops we nail with the sick board coverage our hand gives us.

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07-29-2016 , 09:46 AM

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MartinK1979

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Originally Posted by Rei Ayanami

BB thinks he's tough stuff with that $1800 stack. I'd 4-bet pre to assert dominance.

Lol

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08-02-2016 , 04:14 AM

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OmahaFanatical4

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pshhh, it's a button open button never has anything

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08-02-2016 , 07:02 AM

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naggeri

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Originally Posted by gay_on_tse

AKXX have a tough time? Ok sir

Its so tough that villian maybe shove over it faster than you just checked.

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08-02-2016 , 07:09 AM

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Grethe

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I'm not sure whats worst: Hero's play or people advocating for pot-leading flop

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