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Old 12-12-2011, 06:27 AM   #1
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deep 25plo | 4bet AA77ss IP?

SB (original 3bettor) is 34/10 over only 50 hands. He has 3bet only once out of 13 options and it was from the SB. I expect him to have a lot of strong AA** and KK** (maybe not even that) and premium highcard and rundown hands. Does it make sense to 4bet such a player deep IP in the first place?

BB is a active, not particularly good, LAG playing 40/26 over 600 hands. He's calling supermany 3bets (81%) and his range is def. much wider than SB's.

First question? Is the 4bet good?

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25, $0.05 ante Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
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Hero (UTG): $64.04 (256.2 bb)
MP: $30.94 (123.8 bb)
CO: $22.42 (89.7 bb)
BTN: $29.28 (117.1 bb)
SB: $63 (252 bb)
BB: $68.07 (272.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A 7 7 A
Hero raises to $1.15, 3 folds, SB raises to $4, BB calls $3.75, Hero raises to $16.30, SB folds, BB calls $12.30

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Flop: ($36.90) T 3 J (2 players)
BB bets $35.06, Hero???

On the flop it's basically $47.96 into $84,59 so I need about 36% to make a breakeven call.

I gave him a (imo) reasonable range and it's a super +EV call vs that. Idk it the range is accurate but acutally I think it's rather too tight than too loose given his preflop range and him donking pot into me. I think he expects me to shove AA** here always and therefore he would prolly check sets and 2pairs which again weakens his range.

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Old 12-12-2011, 06:35 AM   #2
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Re: deep 25plo | 4bet AA77ss IP?

Flop sucks hard. It's very likely that he has 2 p and some draw to go with it. Your A or 7 might not be good so I would make a reluctant fold.

e: But you also block hes straight draws so meh.. Depends are you stuck or not.
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Old 12-12-2011, 06:36 AM   #3
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Re: deep 25plo | 4bet AA77ss IP?

4b can't be bad, flop is prob a not fist pump jam
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Old 12-12-2011, 06:43 AM   #4
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Re: deep 25plo | 4bet AA77ss IP?

You didn't include any sets in your analysis, there's probably not that many combos, but there's hands like KKJJs, JJQ9s etc.

I'd still get it in, but I doubt you're gonna have 50% against his overall range
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Old 12-12-2011, 06:46 AM   #5
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Re: deep 25plo | 4bet AA77ss IP?

Yeah we difinitely don't have 50 % vs. hes get it in range. I think it's more like that break even 36 %.
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Old 12-12-2011, 06:57 AM   #6
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Re: deep 25plo | 4bet AA77ss IP?

He prob didn't include sets b/c it is unlikely BB would pot here with them.
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Old 12-12-2011, 06:58 AM   #7
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Re: deep 25plo | 4bet AA77ss IP?

I would pot lead sets to that board all day long. It's a different to have top set to a board J74 than JTX.
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Old 12-12-2011, 07:06 AM   #8
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Re: deep 25plo | 4bet AA77ss IP?

cold calling the 3bet between the or and 3bettor screams good rundown and not a paired hand in my opinion.
JT is a likely part of that hand...BBs donkbet% would be interesting but without further info i would just fold this
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Old 12-12-2011, 07:20 AM   #9
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Re: deep 25plo | 4bet AA77ss IP?

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I would pot lead sets to that board all day long. It's a different to have top set to a board J74 than JTX.
Not saing people don't pot lead a set here, but does the average player? Imo more often the pot lead is looking for FE.

I stack off cause it's likely a flip against OESD or p+draw and we need 36 %.
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Old 12-12-2011, 09:02 AM   #10
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Re: deep 25plo | 4bet AA77ss IP?

snapshoving
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Old 12-12-2011, 11:13 AM   #11
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Re: deep 25plo | 4bet AA77ss IP?

fold
not getting the right price, A might not be good. What we got is an OP+bFD and thats not awesome equity.

it sucks but what do you expect a 30/10 to have leading into 2 people ? we are not good here.
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Old 12-12-2011, 11:32 AM   #12
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Re: deep 25plo | 4bet AA77ss IP?

I hate aces, so overrated. Whiffs so much.
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Old 12-12-2011, 11:44 AM   #13
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Re: deep 25plo | 4bet AA77ss IP?

4bet is good. And its time to stackoff now.

Folding against the BB donk has to be a level.

Did you forget that there is 140bbs in the middle?
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Old 12-12-2011, 12:59 PM   #14
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Re: deep 25plo | 4bet AA77ss IP?

AA not overrated, if you play it like shyt then overrated indeed.
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Old 12-12-2011, 01:28 PM   #15
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Re: deep 25plo | 4bet AA77ss IP?

Bart, he's not leading into 2 ppl otf, we're hu vs him, and we don't need "awesome equity" to stack off either, as mentioned earlier, only 36% for it to be breakeven. He should be shoving any pair+gutter+ (or with bdfds) probably any J and any wrap (sets occasionally but would expect most randoms to c/r with that). Unless I'm doing something completely wrong with my sims, folding seems exploitable and wrong

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