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Crazy Move or Not? Crazy Move or Not?

06-30-2017 , 04:13 PM
Hey guys I'm pretty new to the Omaha scene! I'm playing PLO since last month more or less and i find it pretty fun and more variegate than the NLHE I was used to play (it was starting to get boring).

Today I looked back at this hand and i wanted to share it with you guys.
What do you think? Was my play silly or somewhat reasonable?
Loving this PLO forum right now



PokerStars - €0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: 101.7 BB (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 6.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
Hero (CO): 100 BB
BTN: 34.5 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
SB: 90.5 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
BB: 98.9 BB (VPIP: 44.44, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
UTG: 88.6 BB (VPIP: 83.21, PFR: 12.98, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 131)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, Hero posts penalty blind 1.5 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 3 BB) Hero has 7 A Q Q

UTG raises to 3 BB, MP calls 3 BB, Hero calls 2 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (16 BB, 5 players) 9 8 T
BB bets 2 BB, UTG calls 2 BB, fold, Hero raises to 16.4 BB, fold, BB calls 14.4 BB, fold

Turn: (50.8 BB, 2 players) J
BB checks, Hero bets 24.1 BB, BB calls 24.1 BB

River: (99 BB, 2 players) 4
BB checks, Hero bets 56 BB and is all-in, BB calls 55.4 BB and is all-in

Spoiler:
Hero shows 7 A Q Q (One Pair, Queens)
(Pre 61%, Flop 12%, Turn 15%)
BB shows 2 J T 9 (Two Pair, Jacks and Tens)
(Pre 39%, Flop 88%, Turn 85%)
BB wins 198.3 BB



P.S. I just realized I posted a 1.5 penalty blind (I don't ever do that lol, i know it's stupid but I guess I was really impatient that time :P)
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06-30-2017 , 05:47 PM
I think silly and somewhat reasonable is a good way to describe it

yeah it might work vs players that can fold but can get you in trouble at micro stakes vs players that can't fold like this player.
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06-30-2017 , 06:54 PM
Move upper where they respect your raises!
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06-30-2017 , 07:20 PM
It's kinda strange how fish calling you down can look like the most amazing play of all time.
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07-01-2017 , 02:24 AM
you should be very careful going super crazy with blockers on such dynamic boards cause people will have too many hands that will call you down and you wont get rid of them quickly. Its just not worth it
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07-01-2017 , 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by DoOrDoNot
It's kinda strange how fish calling you down can look like the most amazing play of all time.
Zoja in a nutshell
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07-01-2017 , 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by zoja
you should be very careful going super crazy with blockers on such dynamic boards cause people will have too many hands that will call you down and you wont get rid of them quickly. Its just not worth it
yeah but if i were in his spot, I don't think I could have called the river!
I guess i thought too much against this player lol
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07-01-2017 , 08:00 AM
Putting to much value in blocker post-flop, this can't be +EV in the long run.

And it is a 3-bet pre to thin the field and make it easier to play post-flop when your hand is muck stronger in heads-up pot than multi-way.

So I'm putting my vote in the "Crazy Move"-bucket.
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07-01-2017 , 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by MonstroTheWhale
Putting to much value in blocker post-flop, this can't be +EV in the long run.

And it is a 3-bet pre to thin the field and make it easier to play post-flop when your hand is muck stronger in heads-up pot than multi-way.

So I'm putting my vote in the "Crazy Move"-bucket.
Using blockers postflop is crazy, but squeezing AQQ non nut suit pre vs. UTG open and MP cold call is good?
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07-01-2017 , 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by tofurocks
Using blockers postflop is crazy, but squeezing AQQ non nut suit pre vs. UTG open and MP cold call is good?
No I'm not saying it is good, but IF you are going to play the hand squeezing is better then calling.

Beacause if you are set mining this hand against a bunch of villians with high VPIP you going to end up on river very often with possible straight or flushes on the board and don´t know what to do.
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07-01-2017 , 11:04 AM
That's a very interesting theory you have there
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07-01-2017 , 09:43 PM
Calling pre. just for set value seems fine, 3bet is lol at $10 PLO.

On flop for a move like this it's much better to have KQQ/QQ8/QQhh/etc. where you don't have near 0% when called. Also limits the amount of times you are going nuts. Also JJ much better blockers here.

Nobody with QJ bets that size on the turn, unless they have like AhQhJJ (and maybe not even then), IMO. I probably give up esp. on this turn if I decided to try for it on flop.

On the river villain much less likely to fold anything for 1/2 pot given hearts have missed (the obvious bluffing hand), so I give up on river if I didn't give up on turn. Also super monkey tilt for villain if you win with QQ can have value.

Last edited by illiterat; 07-01-2017 at 09:49 PM.
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07-02-2017 , 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by illiterat
3bet is lol at $10 PLO
It's good at 500z???
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07-02-2017 , 06:04 AM
I'd just call it on the button, fold it on the CO without A high suit. Post-flop I think against that much players I would shy away from this play since even if you block two queens, QJ, KQ is still a very commonly played combo and therefore more often in their ranges.
Can't say I hate it, though 1 card straights most likely will call you down.
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07-03-2017 , 05:05 AM
Ok thanks everyone, I guess i will play more straightforward in this kind of spots..

The only thing that concerns me is that I feel like everyone is betting only with the nuts and everytime i bet they fold unless they have a under fullhouse or something like that.

It's so frustrating that people just pot when they have the nut straight and I have to fold my nut flush draw (or maybe I shouldn't?)

As I said I started playing omaha regularly since June, but results are quite good for now, so I just want to get better at it and eventually start grinding 25 PLO (I played like 1k hands at 25 until now, mostly when i was quite pissed or when a big fish is playing there lol.. And it has been quite swingy with a breakeven EV line)

I would take any of your suggestions in general since I'm here to learn!

P.S. I'm from Italy and we already have those stupid chests and new reward system (if u hace questions about it I can try to explain it or post some pics).

I don't know if I'm playing poker or Clash Royale right now 😂
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07-03-2017 , 05:11 AM
I'm not big on exploitative play, but if people are only calling with the nuts you should probably bluff them a lot. If people are potting in spots that they shouldn't I don't think that is a bad thing, they are just going to let you easily get away from your weaker hands and get owned when you have the nuts. (I see this all the time at 10z, people use pot as their only bet sizing and get completely destroyed when I make a hand)
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07-03-2017 , 05:28 AM
This is bad due to flop texture and people left to act. I'm not sure how to properly convey what I mean in words, but there's too much equity shifting available still at this point for you to go pure bluffing with blockers.

Going in with da QQ will likely be a decent idea on a AKJxx rainbow board heads up on the river (if your line makes sense ofc). It's not a good idea on a 89Thh board multiway on the flop.

I really wish I could find a good way to communicate just why
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07-03-2017 , 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by tofurocks
I'm not big on exploitative play
Lol wut
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07-03-2017 , 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by DoOrDoNot
Lol wut
Did I stutter?
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