I am on the button with Q395, we are playing 5 handed.

UTG folds
CO raises to $0.70 ($41.06)
I call on the Button ($22.66)
SB folds
BB calls ($21.99)

3 way to a flop of Q64 (pot $2.20)

BB checks
CO bets $1.20
I raise to $5.80
BB calls
UTG calls

turn 8 ($19.60)

BB shoves $16.19
CO goes all in for $32.38
I'm all in for $16.76

river T

CO wins with a straight to the 8.






1) should I be raising flop?

2) should I be getting my chips in on the turn when some of my outs may well be covered by my opponents?


cheers for any help

Turbo fold preflop lol

lol ok cheers

if you appeared in this hand from the flop what would you do on flop and turn?

Get in my time machine go back 30 seconds and fold pre

This is a bad BTN open, vs. CO call it's a lol fold ... if UTG is in it's just spew.

To answer your questions:

1. No, don't raise. I guess you thought to raise because you had a weak made hand with weak draws and wanted to get folds? You are over bluff raising way too much, villains will generally not be betting into 4 people and then folding and can easily just shove it in. Even one call is bad for you, multiple calls are terrible.

2. No, just fold. 75 certainly in everyone's range and you are drawing dead sometimes.

1) meh, calling is probably a little better with position. A raise commits us with a hand that isn't quite stack off material.

2) probably a call, just a calc problem.

Fold pre. As played, call flop.

Again, as played, fold turn.

As played I think raising flop is correct, pre is obviously atrocious

Folding turn should be ok

I'm late to the party but with this hand I would do a backflip and then throw my cards into the muck preflop
If my buddy called me over when he got to the flop with this hand and asked what to do I would slap him , but call the bet, fold turn since it's already iffy for someone to be shoving into you but for a shove + call I don't see how someone doesn't have the nuts


With PLO you can't really say 'well just imagine you got to this flop' and work things out because in PLO preflop is SUPER important and if you are playing this weak of holdings , especially in multi way pots you are just setting yourself up to lose money since every draw you get you can be super dominated and any 2 pairs+ you get you won't be happy with.

yeah on boards like this people seem to fold a lot and I would have been happy to take it down on the flop, then also not too unhappy if one of them comes with me to the turn and not be too scared of many cards on the turn to keep betting, maybe i save the bluff raising to just one opponent in the hand on boards like this and it would work better?

thanks for responses guys I'll end up folding on the turn as yeah both my straight draws and flush draws don't even draw to the nuts.

with preflop..........

ok so this was my worst hand of the session and that is why I posted it.

on pokerstars I fold this hand instantly. On a site where I'm playing vs very bad players (not saying I am good) putting in $0.70 preflop doesn't seem too bad when they end up stacking off with some really bad holding postflop (aware this is a silly statement to make when I have just posted this hand ) but yeah although in the future I'll try to fold hand so bad as this- I don't think you can go too wrong putting in $0.70 preflop with a lot of hands in position.

I might be very wrong writing that but here it costs me my stack, and usually costs me $0.70 quite often, but people are often very tilted, going crazy and I'd be interested to know if it is that huge of a mistake.

I would be open to hearing more about preflop hand selection vs bad players if people want to talk more about it? I mainly just guess as no software on this site to analyse hands.

in summary- I'll fold hands this bad in the future- but still play a lot of weakish hands in position i think, on the flop I am still a bit unsure and on the turn I fold.

thanks again for the replies

ah cheers treadlightly thanks for explaining does make a lot of sense what you are saying especially in multiway pots.

could you explain that? it seems like calling would be my default bc we have weak top pair + bdfd + mediocre draw to non nuts

Yes, it is a massive mistake and it's not even close. Preflop is important in PLO and you can't just overcome the ****iness of your hand because other players are bad (and based on your posts it doesn't seem like you are exactly a shining star yourself)

Wtf is this. Never saw worst hand posted here

The problems and mistakes players make that lead them to playing for and losing stacks post flop start with the preflop decisions. Poor hand selection preflop only compounds on mistakes being made post flop for a very negative end result. Playing weak hands with no nut components set you up to either win a small pot here or there or lose a lot of big pots - you do the math. Playing a tighter preflop range, i.e. hands that flop or draw to the nuts often will reduce the number of tough spots you're put into and set yourself up to actually win stacks, not lose them. From a tighter starting point you can slowly practice and build up your post-flop skills to a point where you can confidently play wider preflop but until then you'll be setting money on fire long term with this and other similar hands.

If you hate money disregard all of the above.

makes a lot of sense cheers solar+tofu