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Cooler or spew? Cooler or spew?

03-23-2017 , 04:45 PM
Is this just an unlucky hand, or should I have played it differently?

    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37687264

    BTN: $10 (100 bb)
    SB: $21.08 (210.8 bb)
    Hero (BB): $14.48 (144.8 bb)
    UTG: $10.47 (104.7 bb)
    MP: $10.48 (104.8 bb)
    CO: $12.95 (129.5 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 8 A A K
    2 folds, CO raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, SB folds, Hero raises to $1.25, CO calls $0.95, BTN calls $0.95

    Flop: ($3.80) K 5 7 (3 players)
    Hero bets $3.64, CO calls $3.64, BTN folds

    Turn: ($11.08) K (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $4, Hero raises to $9.59 and is all-in, CO calls $4.06 and is all-in

    River: ($27.20) 3 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $27.20 pot ($1.16 rake)
    Final Board: K 5 7 K 3
    Hero showed 8 A A K and lost (-$12.95 net)
    CO showed 7 T K Q and won $26.04 ($13.09 net)



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    My thought process:
    Spoiler:

    On the flop call, I put villain on 2 pair with straight draw or similar. When the turn brings the king, I think that I can try entice a bluff off a frustrated 2 pairs of 7's and 5's that got counterfeited (I see this a lot). Not to mention they still have equity against the AAxx they put me on if they're semi-bluffing with a wrap straight draw.

    I really don't put villain on a full house here. Should I have?

    Did I value pwn myself by raising? I was thinking that I was protecting against wrap type straight draws.
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    03-23-2017 , 05:42 PM
    The question should be about which line to maximize value, because putting all the money in somehow is mandatory and not spew.
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    03-24-2017 , 02:08 AM
    I would not bet that big otf since you really can't afford it with all your range and I would not check the turn as standard but I accept your logic of doing so. Shoving for value is totally fine.
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    03-24-2017 , 12:01 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by casadewinna
    I would not bet that big otf since you really can't afford it with all your range .
    Being OOP in a 3way pot, I'm not sure I agree with this statement. That is, I agree that the sizing is probably not that good in itself as it's a dry flop and we won't have a full psb left on turn.

    But even with a smaller sizing, what hands do you b/f here?
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    03-24-2017 , 01:24 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DickeLatte
    Being OOP in a 3way pot, I'm not sure I agree with this statement. That is, I agree that the sizing is probably not that good in itself as it's a dry flop and we won't have a full psb left on turn.

    But even with a smaller sizing, what hands do you b/f here?
    Sorry, just missed that pot was 3 way. Then wp. I don't know, still I feel some discomfort with this sizing but it's not a mistake.

    My discomfort is based on the idea, that when we get called we should x/f on blank because it's really tough to call psb on this flop with something worse, only some weak wraps. Maybe I'm very far from the true, maybe making some hands with equity to fold is enough, I didn't make calculations, but I just feel bad about our situation when called.
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    03-24-2017 , 01:49 PM
    yeah funky spot for sure. the K in our hand helps though.
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    03-24-2017 , 04:11 PM
    3bet pf is standard here? I am looking forward to getting back to playing and at least a while back people just assumed that you have aces when 3bet pf from the blinds.
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    03-24-2017 , 06:42 PM
    Not spew. Just a tough spot. A cooler hand.


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    03-29-2017 , 08:03 PM
    I really hate your 3 bet preflop. The hand has very poor playability multiway, you are most likely revealing your hand, and any time your opponent flops 2 pair or set he stacks you? Looks like holdem.
    On the other hand if you call, your opponents will get alot of coolers with weaker sets and weaker flush draws.
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    03-30-2017 , 08:52 AM
    Size smaller otf. Not getting away from the hand once the K spikes.
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