Hello guys,

I know lead the river is wise, in hind sight because everyone is lo-balling pots. SO going for a check raise was not smart. Also it is maybe smart to get value like in 2-7TD?!.

Anyway, I'd like to look at how to play the whole hand overall. Thanks.


Poker Stars $2.00+$0.20 Pot Limit Omaha Hi Tournament - t1400/t2800 Blinds - 5 players - View hand 2936843
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Hero (BB): t218498 78.03 BBs
UTG: t73081 26.10 BBs
CO: t199912 71.40 BBs
BTN: t138600 49.50 BBs
SB: t21191 7.57 BBs

Pre Flop: (t4200) Hero is BB with 8 Q T 3
UTG calls t2800, CO calls t2800, BTN calls t2800, SB calls t1400, Hero checks

Flop: (t14000) J J K (5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, CO checks, BTN bets t7000, SB folds, Hero calls t7000, UTG calls t7000, CO folds

Turn: (t35000) 4 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, BTN checks

River: (t35000) A (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, BTN checks

(Still in, 3/7 FTW)

Outside of weak bluff attempts, the villains aren't likely to bet this river unless they had J/A. It's possible the BTN had j/x here with no hearts or spades and got afraid of the double flush board on the turn. He may also be holding a pair with his J and hoped he could take this down on the flop and when he got two callers he re-considered his aggression.

There's not many situations where you're likely to get a bet here. I think you have to lead. I'd 1/2 pot and hope someone raises me with J/A, which is possible that they would if they have J/A since there was no PFR representing k/k or a/a. A villain with J/A probably feels pretty good at this point and you could stand to make more money if you're really lucky. I'd also only go 1/2 pot in that rare instance where the 9 high flush calls. Full pot he may just fold and move on, instead.

Everything else looks good. A turn bet would have been good if you were last to act, but you weren't.

Yes, that was what I needed. Thanks for time to write it. Very helpful toward my thinking game.

Fold flop. A high paired board with two people to act behind you when you could be drawing to two outs against the bettor anyhow doesn't sound like a recipe to win money...errrr tournament chips.

Really makes sense. I note now these players play J hi or worse hands also, often and were fishy. Still makes sense, that I will never have nuts except for ROyal, and I will often be in behind. Can't float though?

I agree with folding flop, by the way. My earlier assessment was just in regards to the line you took and how it played out. That is the type of flop that has a strong chance of being directly hit so you don't want to chase flush draws.

I called for a RF only ;|)
LOL
Thanks for the good help.

Definitely folding hte flop.

I think checking river is reasonable. You are rarely getting called if you lead by anything that wont bet on its own, and may be confused into calling.

^Maybe heads up. I think UTG has a bunch of hands that he'd call but won't/sometimes won't bet either scared of A or trapping. BTN's bluffing % is prob close to 0 when we check also since UTG called the cbet too

Another thing is that getting a bet out a lot of the time in a tournament is better than trying to get stacks that small % of the time that you cooler someone

I think the problem with checking the river is you aren't going to get a bet unless someone hit the A on the river with their J/A. That's not unlikely but I can't see how hoping that happened is better than leading. I think a half sized pot bet or even smaller than half pot is likely to be called by a flush even if it looks like it's begging for a call. The way the hand played there's no chance anyone has a/a or k/k so why give it a chance to be checked down for another street?

I agree with this

I agree bet OTR, and that is where I stuffed up having only been back playing for less than a week.

The call will be more profitable, and much wider than who may or may not bet.

The comments have hellped with more than just this hand, from both sides of a bet the river or not mentality. Thanks again.