Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
Call or 3bet BTN Call or 3bet BTN

03-13-2016 , 09:17 PM
[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 4 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $36.84 (147.4 bb)
BB: $5.05 (20.2 bb)
CO: $42.30 (169.2 bb)
Hero (BTN): $72.73 (290.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with T 7 7 A
CO raises to $0.85, Hero ?

CO is 99/41 with 60 OR from CO

Do you fold, call or 3bet this hand?

I like 3betting because 77 is not great to lure more players in the pot, and we have suited ace with some straights and SD possibilities. What do you think?
Call or 3bet BTN Quote
03-15-2016 , 12:40 PM
If you decide to play this 3betting would probably be better than calling. Although this guy seems like a maniac so if he 4bets a lot or is very aggro/loose post 3betting may not be the way to go.
Call or 3bet BTN Quote
03-15-2016 , 03:10 PM
Personal preference maybe, but I really hate pairs like this.

I know we want to stack a 99/41 fish with position and a deep stack, but this isn't the hand I choose to try and do it with. If we're going to play for stacks deep we want to make the nuts, and this hand only really has one way to do it apart from some very unlikely flops.

If I were going to play it, I'd call and hope to get action from the blinds, putting the minimum in pre, make a nut flush and get someone's stack with a lower flush. I don't like to isolate against one guy who is probably calling way too much postflop, and thus we lose some of our options to outplay him on boards where we miss (which we will often with this junky hand). If he's the sort of fish to call a 3-bet preflop then check/fold on 50%+ of flops then yes, by all means, 3-bet him, but be prepared to insta-fold if he 4-bets.
Call or 3bet BTN Quote
03-15-2016 , 03:27 PM
Quote:
I know we want to stack a 99/41 fish with position and a deep stack, but this isn't the hand I choose to try and do it with. If we're going to play for stacks deep we want to make the nuts, and this hand only really has one way to do it apart from some very unlikely flops.
You should rethink that. We obv dont need to make the nuts to stack someone literally playing every hand - even a bit deep.

@ OP

Just dont fold
Call or 3bet BTN Quote
03-15-2016 , 04:07 PM
I don't like the 3-bet here at all. We are on the button with a hand that has bad flop equity distribution. Villian has basically every hand in his range and we are way ahead of it but if he is playing that many hands he could try and stack off with any random two pairs.

I'd rather flat and keep the SPR as high as possible giving us better opportunities. If villian will stack off in a 3-bet pot with random junk he is likely to stack off without the three bet. I'd prefer to flat so when we don't hit much we can just fold and lose a bet less.

I also think it gives a great opportunity to the blinds to 4-bet very wide knowing we are trying to iso CO but in this case only one of the blinds has enough of a stack for that to matter.
Call or 3bet BTN Quote
03-16-2016 , 04:31 AM
It should be a good call on the button and so. Many hands that look something like that are, many with a better playability to 3b than this hand has. Technically, this and so type of hands are about break even hands (around 50% equity) vs loose ranges, but it doesn't count in the 4b, other players, playability.
Call or 3bet BTN Quote
03-16-2016 , 01:09 PM
Id rather call but 3 bet (including 3 bet min or < pot is fine too). Folding is terrible
Call or 3bet BTN Quote
03-18-2016 , 01:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Praetor
Id rather call but 3 bet (including 3 bet min or < pot is fine too). Folding is terrible
When you say folding is terrible. I understand we are ahead of his range a reasonable ammount. This falling in to top 30/40%?

The issue is that if villain is c-betting a high freqeuency do we not just get bluffed off of the best hand too often?

Or do you look at it from the point of view that we have a much better chance of being paid on a 7 or flush board vs this villain?
Call or 3bet BTN Quote
03-21-2016 , 04:08 PM
3bet slightly lighter to iso and smash some flops. Pretty sure when villains playing hands with that frequency we should be able to figure out what he's doing post and with hands like ours we ought to see flops hu with pos.
The most relevant factors I'd consider before 3betting are his FCB stats and some info on how often he donks.
Call or 3bet BTN Quote
03-21-2016 , 04:27 PM
This type of hand is almost always a flat for me. Our hand isn't that great but it has good nut potential making it perfect for playing a mutliway pot in position especially when the blinds aren't very good players.

This spot in particular however happens to be one of those times when I'm 3betting. The CO is just a complete loon so there's plenty of value to push, we're slightly deep so there's plenty of room to outplay him, and the BB is short so there's not much value in playing for the nuts anyway.
Call or 3bet BTN Quote
03-21-2016 , 07:36 PM
Be helpful to know the short stack's tendencies but calling or 3b are both fine.
Call or 3bet BTN Quote
03-21-2016 , 08:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MadDogMoody
When you say folding is terrible. I understand we are ahead of his range a reasonable ammount. This falling in to top 30/40%?

The issue is that if villain is c-betting a high freqeuency do we not just get bluffed off of the best hand too often?

Or do you look at it from the point of view that we have a much better chance of being paid on a 7 or flush board vs this villain?
If he cbets a lot than you get paid when u hit and you can maybe also float him. That depens a lot of what you know about his postlop tendencies. This hand doesn`t dominate preflop anything than totalsupercrap-hands and so you don`t make much money in terms of EV in this spot when you 3bet, he calls always and doesn`t give up flops. If he check folds a lot of flops when you cbet a 3 bet could be a good idea. But calling can`t be bad. Folding is no option.
Call or 3bet BTN Quote

      
m