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Butchered 25PLO hand, lost in this type of 3bet pots Butchered 25PLO hand, lost in this type of 3bet pots

09-21-2013 , 05:59 PM
$0.10/$0.25 Zoom Pot Limit Omaha Hi
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6 Players
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Stacks:
UTG ($32.86) 131bb
UTG+1 ($29.16) 117bb
CO ($27.36) 109bb
BTN ($43.75) 175bb
SB ($15.54) 62bb
Hero (BB) ($25) 100bb

Pre-Flop: ($0.35, 6 players) Hero is BB A A 6 4
UTG raises to $0.85, 3 folds, SB calls $0.75, Hero raises to $3.40, UTG calls $2.55, SB folds

Flop: 6 Q 8 ($7.65, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks

Turn: 9 ($7.65, 2 players)
Hero bets $4, UTG calls $4

River: 3 ($15.65, 2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks

Final Pot: $15.65
Hero shows a pair of Aces
A A 6 4
UTG shows two pair, Nines and Eights
9 8 A 3

UTG wins $14.98 (net +$7.58)

SB lost $0.85
Hero lost $7.40

No reads, what would you do with your range on this type of boards?
Bet turn and then realized he has a ton of **** that is not going to fold when he calls and he is not folding that often the turn.
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09-21-2013 , 06:05 PM
cbet flop, c/f turn

playing blockers not the best idea at plo25 most of the time unless youve a really nitty/solid image.
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09-21-2013 , 06:12 PM
why are we cbetting flop?
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09-21-2013 , 08:42 PM
with this spr b/c flop

if they flat then ship turn
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09-24-2013 , 01:00 AM
as the pre-flop aggressor with your 3-bet and OOP postflop you definitely cbet here.

as played c/f turn
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09-24-2013 , 01:12 AM
Why 3bet and then not cbet this board?
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09-24-2013 , 05:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by viewsize
why are we cbetting flop?
Take a look at villains hand again and ask if he's calling a c-bet on this board. Answer: Probably not (and if it is we're making money on it) - Our bet is mainly for protection because there's a lot of hands that villain could have that could easily overtake us OTT (and we won't know which hands have overtaken us if we don't bet and try and define his range)

I don't agree with B/GII here unless you know villain to be aggressive. Most players just have a far too strong raising range on this flop which we're crushed by.

Also if you're going to bluff nut blockers then follow through on it. One bet will never make him fold a flush (and he'll be calling w/some other stuff like 2 pair as we saw) but bet again and he'll be finding it tough to call w/o a strong flush.
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09-24-2013 , 05:29 AM
I would flat these aces pre flop.

Flop is closer than some people are giving credit here, although i agree it's a b/c. We need over 43% equity on average to make bet/calling profitable and this isn't a great board for our hand.

Obviously once we bet we have to call, but overall it's a crappy spot we shouldn't have got into with no reads and somewhat uncoordinated aces.
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09-24-2013 , 12:19 PM
I pot/call flop with AA+NFD here, and try and balance it by doing the same the times I have AA + nut blocker. I don't often pot c-bet, so if it's a villain I play regularly and actually pays attention, they should probably fold their naked FD's/wraps vs me here. Not that they actually do very often and whether this is relevant at PLO25 is open to question, but I think it's good practice to construct your ranges in some way like this...
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09-24-2013 , 06:30 PM
we cant b/c or b/jam flop

think cbetting is still profitable, even if we have to b/fold.

and if you decide to rep sth on the turn you have to barrel this blank river too, especially with the nfd blocker.

overall, yes you pretty much butchered the hand. i think the biggest mistake in this hand was to not cbet this flop.
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09-24-2013 , 06:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by shimmy
I pot/call flop with AA+NFD here, and try and balance it by doing the same the times I have AA + nut blocker. I don't often pot c-bet, so if it's a villain I play regularly and actually pays attention, they should probably fold their naked FD's/wraps vs me here. Not that they actually do very often and whether this is relevant at PLO25 is open to question, but I think it's good practice to construct your ranges in some way like this...
Lol balance. You're giving your opponents way too much credit here.
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09-24-2013 , 07:18 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by samuri8
Lol balance. You're giving your opponents way too much credit here.
That's why "if it's an opponent I play regularly and actually pays attention".

Why LOL? In general it can't be bad to think about your ranges/perceived ranges in every spot if you want to improve and have ambitions of playing higher.

It's not clever to assume your opponents are idiots either, OP did say no reads so how are you going to make an exploitative play? Given that, I'm turning to my default play here, which is to pot. The first thing I think when an unknown pots into me here is "AA + NFD", how would you interpret that bet size on this board? And also OP specifically asked "what would you do with your range on this type of board?". At least I answered that question, thanks for your contribution.
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09-24-2013 , 07:51 PM
My tone might have been condescending but I contend that the nucleus of it is true. Many players here on 2p2 have the problem of trying to employ concepts and strategies like balancing ranges in games where they have little to no place. If you want to get better at whatever game/stakes it is you play, talk with those who are proven winners at those exact games. You're welcome.
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09-24-2013 , 08:20 PM
lol
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09-24-2013 , 08:33 PM
b/f flop.

as played bet larger on the turn and shove the river.

nothing wrong with flatting this pre if you feel lost in these spots.
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09-24-2013 , 08:35 PM
Pretty sure OP is talking to several proven winners, here in this thread. Knew there was a reason I don't post in strategy threads very often, might be the last time.
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09-24-2013 , 08:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by shimmy
Pretty sure OP is talking to several proven winners, here in this thread. Knew there was a reason I don't post in strategy threads very often, might be the last time.
ignore samuri, if he's serious he's wrong and if not he's trolling.
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09-25-2013 , 03:33 AM
c/f flop, c/f turn, c/f river
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