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02-14-2014 , 08:11 AM
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Villain is 20/14/8 Thoughts on all streets please!

    Poker Stars, $1/$2 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #23587941

    BTN: $112 (56 bb)
    SB: $315 (157.5 bb)
    BB: $854.73 (427.4 bb)
    UTG: $280.39 (140.2 bb)
    Hero (MP): $200 (100 bb)
    CO: $242.44 (121.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with 7 4 7 4
    UTG folds, Hero raises to $7, CO raises to $24, 3 folds, Hero calls $17

    Flop: ($51) 4 8 A (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $32, Hero calls $32

    Turn: ($115) 2 (2 players)
    Hero checks, CO bets $112.20




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    02-14-2014 , 08:39 AM
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    02-14-2014 , 08:44 AM
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    Jamming, hope you like jamming too

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    02-14-2014 , 05:31 PM
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    AA seems mighty obv to me... But I'm prolly not good enough to fold.
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    02-14-2014 , 06:52 PM
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    Quote:
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    AA seems mighty obv to me... But I'm prolly not good enough to fold.
    Huh? Villain is in position with an 8% 3bet and there are 2 flush draws on the board.
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    02-14-2014 , 07:28 PM
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    Why play small pairs if you're going to fold when you hit? You aren't going to flop better.

    Might as well jam here but don't make a habit of overplaying bottom set.
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    02-14-2014 , 11:42 PM
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    Quote:
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    Huh? Villain is in position with an 8% 3bet
    Hackdeath, over how many hands is this 8% 3bet?

    Could be moderately important before basing a decision solely on a single statistic.
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    02-15-2014 , 12:03 AM
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    Sample size would be nice to know, but how are we remotely basing this decision on a single statistic? Naturally AAxx is likely to be a decent part of his range but we are literally at the top of our own beside our weaker AAxx here.
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    02-15-2014 , 12:35 AM
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    Quote:
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    Why play small pairs if you're going to fold when you hit? You aren't going to flop better.

    Might as well jam here but don't make a habit of overplaying bottom set.
    Don't be r/o, treat each decision independently. Pre may be anywhere between a fold and slightly winning call to my eyes, but nobody commented on other streets like I requested.

    200 hands.

    To those saying shove, answer these questions. What is his true 3b for this spot (for an average player) if his global 3b is 8%? How often do you think he has AAxx before he makes an action on the flop? How much of his non AAxx range is he stacking with a bet/pot line? What's our equity vs the range he stacks with?

    After thinking about these more, I think its close. So since you think its a trivial jam, I would be interested to hear your estimates for these numbers.
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    02-15-2014 , 12:49 AM
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    but how are we remotely basing this decision on a single statistic?
    It sounded like you were leaning towards a jam because of his 3bet percentage. No worries, probably just me misreading.

    I'd like to find out how often he plays from the CO as well.

    This hand also kind of sucks to raise PF from MP. Short of flopping quads or a straight, you're pretty much looking at a best case scenario so might as well gii and lose to AAxx or a draw lol.

    What made you want to play out of position with this hand?
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    02-15-2014 , 09:54 AM
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    Quote:
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    Don't be r/o, treat each decision independently. Pre may be anywhere between a fold and slightly winning call to my eyes, but nobody commented on other streets like I requested.

    200 hands.

    To those saying shove, answer these questions. What is his true 3b for this spot (for an average player) if his global 3b is 8%? How often do you think he has AAxx before he makes an action on the flop? How much of his non AAxx range is he stacking with a bet/pot line? What's our equity vs the range he stacks with?

    After thinking about these more, I think its close. So since you think its a trivial jam, I would be interested to hear your estimates for these numbers.
    Well, you're the only one who could tell us that - impossible with the given information. Also, you have to consider that it's a great board for his perceived range and his cbet freq would be very high on this board.

    But hey, you're in the absolute top of your range, 100xbb deep in a 3b pot and ahead of some of his valuerange, gii.
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    02-15-2014 , 11:35 AM
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    Quote:
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    Well, you're the only one who could tell us that - impossible with the given information. Also, you have to consider that it's a great board for his perceived range and his cbet freq would be very high on this board.

    But hey, you're in the absolute top of your range, 100xbb deep in a 3b pot and ahead of some of his valuerange, gii.
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