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08-30-2014 , 09:20 AM
1)

any risk in slowplayin this?
I dont 3bet pre because its a lot of players and a paired board without my cards would kill me.


    Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #30100951

    CO: $5 (100 bb)
    Hero (BTN): $8.11 (162.2 bb)
    SB: $5 (100 bb)
    BB: $10.53 (210.6 bb)
    UTG: $2.83 (56.6 bb)
    MP: $8.88 (177.6 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with J T 9 Q
    UTG raises to $0.19, MP folds, CO calls $0.19, Hero calls $0.19, SB folds, BB calls $0.14

    Flop: ($0.78) Q J J (4 players)
    BB checks, UTG bets $0.76, CO folds, Hero calls $0.76, BB calls $0.76

    Turn: ($3.06) 9 (3 players)
    BB checks, UTG bets $1.88 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.88, BB folds

    River: ($6.82) 5 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $6.82 pot ($0.35 rake)
    Final Board: Q J J 9 5
    Hero showed J T 9 Q and won $6.47 ($3.64 net)
    BB mucked and lost (-$0.95 net)
    UTG showed 4 A J K and lost (-$2.83 net)



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    2)


    good fold or what?


      Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #30100961

      MP: $4.93 (98.6 bb)
      CO: $3.23 (64.6 bb)
      Hero (BTN): $10.65 (213 bb)
      SB: $5 (100 bb)
      BB: $3.54 (70.8 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BTN with A T K A
      MP calls $0.05, CO calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.27, 2 folds, MP calls $0.22, CO folds

      Flop: ($0.66) K 9 Q (2 players)
      MP bets $0.05, Hero raises to $0.41, MP calls $0.36

      Turn: ($1.48) T (2 players)
      MP bets $1.40, Hero folds

      Spoiler:
      Results: $1.48 pot ($0.08 rake)
      Final Board: K 9 Q T
      MP mucked and won $1.40 ($0.72 net)
      Hero mucked A T K A and lost (-$0.68 net)



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      3)

      I flat pre because he could have aces but his 3b stats is 42% so I'm a bit confused there. Then my equity improves drastically so I take the lead on the flop.

      Is it better to check/shove?
      Or check/call?

        Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #30100971

        BTN: $4.73 (94.6 bb)
        SB: $4.03 (80.6 bb)
        BB: $6.78 (135.6 bb)
        MP: $5.36 (107.2 bb)
        Hero (CO): $10.26 (205.2 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is CO with K K J 8
        MP raises to $0.10, Hero raises to $0.30, BTN raises to $1.07, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.77

        Flop: ($2.31) 2 J 5 (2 players)
        Hero bets $2.19, BTN raises to $3.66 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.47

        Turn: ($9.63) 2 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
        River: ($9.63) 3 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

        Spoiler:
        Results: $9.63 pot ($0.52 rake)
        Final Board: 2 J 5 2 3
        BTN showed A 3 5 A and won $9.11 ($4.38 net)
        Hero showed K K J 8 and lost (-$4.73 net)



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        4)


        Is this whole hand good?

        I should not have reraised OTT I think.

          Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 4 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #30100981

          BB: $6.64 (132.8 bb)
          CO: $5.43 (108.6 bb)
          BTN: $5 (100 bb)
          Hero (SB): $6.31 (126.2 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is SB with J 8 9 A
          CO calls $0.05, BTN folds, Hero completes, BB checks

          Flop: ($0.15) Q J 8 (3 players)
          Hero checks, BB checks, CO checks

          Turn: ($0.15) J (3 players)
          Hero bets $0.10, BB calls $0.10, CO raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $0.85, 2 folds

          Spoiler:
          Results: $0.85 pot ($0.04 rake)
          Final Board: Q J 8 J
          BB mucked and lost (-$0.15 net)
          CO mucked and lost (-$0.35 net)
          Hero mucked J 8 9 A and won $0.81 ($0.46 net)



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          08-30-2014 , 10:29 AM
          1) well played imo. I would never 3-bet a rainbow wrap hand from a UTG open here b/c our hand doesn't play very well unsuited when we get 4 bet pre. Just call the open and try to realize your equity and positional advantage.

          2) What purpose does raising this flop and turning our hand into a bluff serve on this flop? Yes, it hits our range, but it hits villain's range as well, and we have just a single ten blocker to the nut straight and a king blocker to top set. We have so much back door potential with this hand, let's try to realize it on the cheap! Just call the flop min bet imo. This serves as pot control, keeps our range wider, and allows us to realize more equity on favorable turns(diamonds, jacks obv, aces, kings)so that we may see a cheap river card if villain gives us great odds to call again. If villain has hands like top and bottom, bottom two, top pair + gutter, he might check/give up on some turns that we brick so that would be the best time to semi bluff if checked to hero imo.
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          08-30-2014 , 10:47 AM
          3) Well, villain has 4 bet us pre here in this spot, not 3 bet us. Our kings are okay, so calling OOP here this deep is fine. I would rarely(never?) just 5 bet/get it in here pre with these kings, but this villain seems quite aggro, so we may be doing better vs. his specific get it in range pre than I realize. As played, I would just check/pot the flop.

          4) What is our reasoning for raising here on the turn? What was the plan if villain 4 bet pots the turn? Really feel like this is a spot where we are either way ahead or way behind. His continuing range once we raise is going to be QQ/QJ/J8/maybe 88, no? Since we block J8/88, his continuing range after we 3 bet the turn has us crushed/nearly dead. BUT...
          If we bet/call the turn, we allow villain to continue with a wider range to the river, including his bluffs(which he should barrel again when checked to) and hands we have crushed(straights/worse Js/flush draws/etc). Turning our hand into a bluff catcher on the turn also allows us to pot control/get off cheaply on the river when villain does actually have the stronger parts of his range that crush us.
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          08-30-2014 , 11:33 AM
          Hand 2-No reason to raise flop,you got an overpair+gutter and opponent could easily have a str8.On the turn its kinda tricky since you have 2 nut str8 blockers,so if opponent is aggro and could be potting with like bottom 2+picked up FD then prolly would go w it.


          Hand 3-Unless i have very specific reads,not a big fan of calling 1/5 of my stack w semi decent KK,any unpaired hand i would call,same if we were deeper(say at least 150BBs).
          As played potting flop seems fine.
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          08-30-2014 , 11:42 AM
          1) hand plays itself, easy game
          2) standard. i hate those min bets, but I guess you were bluffing? Once he pots into you, it looks like an easy fold
          3) yawn, sooooo standard
          4) doesnīt look like an auto-reraise to me. I probably call OTT and call river. donīt think a normal villain will do this often enough with bare J so I donīt see much value in reraising, but rather massive reverse implied odds. what do you do if he repots?

          Last edited by mumpfmampf; 08-30-2014 at 11:49 AM.
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          08-30-2014 , 06:25 PM
          So...

          Hand 1 was fine and for hand 4 I understood the mistake.

          Hand 2, I raise flop because his bet OTF is ridiculous.
          Now I guess mine is not a reason at all. If you agree it's not and I should behave as if he checked then fine.

          For hand 3 some say its standard some dont like to put 1/5 of the stack in with a paired hand.

          I mostly put him on aces though his stats are crazy there so I flat and unless the flop helps I'm folding.

          Is this too weak of a plan?
          Well it is probably...

          Gotta add I also called because some hands before he had top set con Q52hh or similar and we gii while I had FD+13card wrap.
          After losing he screamed "unbelievable you bastards on stars rigged server" so I thought he was tilting or just could not play at all.

          Last edited by Hakuba07; 08-30-2014 at 06:32 PM.
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