Hi,

Would you mind to make a coaching vid best of or something similiar to this?
I would be highly interested to watch some of those.

Would you consider old coaching vids as powerful on todays game.
Galfond - whilelime and whitelime vanesse comes to my mind.

What about gregerys vid about hand reading?

Benni,

ask all the new questions you want in this particular thread, please do not create a new thread everytime.

It's absolutely awesome that you bring more life back to SSPLO which has been slow the past months, but I believe everyone thinks that not all questions need a new thread. So please fire away in this thread as much as you wish.

Thanks!

Off the top of my head I think some of vanessa's stuff can be very well applied to stakes between PLO25-PLO100 today (her mid stakes stuff).

I think Galfonds stuff can be slightly outdated for pretty much everything. The problem with old very-high-level videos is that the advice is very much given in a context of specific metagame which might simply not exist at ANY stake anymore. IE high and mid stakes meta game is in another spot today and the advice will simply not correspond well to any game format anymore.

Not sure if that makes sense or not, it's hard to put into text what I mean by it..


edit: what I mean is that todays small stakes probably play similarly to old mid stakes (so vanessa videos might be good), but old high stakes wasn't similar to todays high, mid, OR low/micro stakes (so old galfond videos is hard to find a real place for)..

allright thx.

Why are all of those guys gone?
Because black friday or because the games arent beatable or because of a mixture of both?

hmm
I mean galfonds vids are also 4 years old like vanessas.
At the end i dont think the game changed to much?
Allthough think calculations made some stuff clearer.

It also seems like omaha is also understood fully like holdem.
Maybe we should get over omaha and move on to other formats. x)

whilst I agree it's certainly a good idea to watch out for (the) new(est) material, i have to respectfully disagree with loctus on galfonds vids; whilst I agree some of the stuff in his videos from 4-6 years ago might be a bit outdated, the guy is just simply a goldmine when it comes to poker knowledge and I'd advise anybody who ain't a genius himself to watch his stuff closely; it's high quality food for the brain and chances are that he'll teach you (or at least guide you towards) thinking poker.

agree, watched galfond/whitelime plo vid today and gleaned valuable information about playing heads up

Hi,

Are there better calculationprogramms than pokertoolcalculator?

What about other good software?

regards

you have a short memory Benni

I am really sorry. I forgot it!!

it's all good

forgot to answer your question....propokertools is very powerful and i believe the best in the market. you can get that and Pokerjuice which is a front-end program for propokertools' Odds oracle. it makes range analysis simple. they have a free trial too

hej,

Pretty expensiv stuff. On the other hand really great to visualise eq etc.
By the way, why should a highstakes guy buy the highstakes package when there is no different between the high and low stack software?
They are just segerating players to maximise their winnings.

Guess it is really nice anyways.

I find this way of segregation indeed silly because there are at least two ways to circumvent it:

1) ask a HS subscriber to share the hands you send (shared hands from all stakes can be analysed by all subscribers; beware that your hands will be publicly exposed this way);

2) hire a programmer to write a Perl (or whatever language) parser that divides money amounts in HHs by the size of the bb (creating a legal PLO100 HH; some caution is needed as the bet amounts should add up and rounding can alter this, so pots and winnings should be calculated artificially).

Both ways of course require $, but I think the second one must be cheaper because the 'supply' is bigger (there are a lot of coders who can write such a script).

What do you guys even think is know most important software?

pokercalculator - better programms?

holdem or ptrmanager.
hud

Thats it?

HM2 or PT4
+the HUD from those programs
Odds Oracle
PokerJuice
Excelsheet

and you'll master PLO game theory in no time.

Could you go in detail excelsheets?
Where could i get some?

Oddsoracle = pokercalculator.

Why do i need Pokerjuice?
Isnt pokercalculator enough?

Would you guys say the mid/high stakes guys have a good feeling for math or where do they know/how good/ secure their reads are ...

At the end its an grey area because we cant proof what we assume.
Therefore this is a leak. It is uncontrollable because it depends on our assumptions.
We cant really proof how often they are true or not.

Ofc with enough database everything becomes possible.

you dont need pokerjuice, no. just very helpful

excelsheets....i just build my own

it's definitely getting more math based at mid-high stakes all the time

Would be nice if you would go insight of this.

But as it seems guys on higher levels crush midstakes by outplaying opponents.
Not really mathbased?
Obv you can see everything in mathperspective.

There should be a lot of excelsheets online.
Could someone send me a couple of them?
Also interested in starting hand charts and other charts.



by the way, pokerjuise is helpful because it make stuff easier to understand right?

Yes, saving your own time and mental energy is crucial. Poker players' time is very expensive if they spend it rationally.

Pokerjuice looks great but is it really just a front-end for PPT? There must be some other features right? Not tried it yet, seems a bit overpriced IMO, and I don't particularly like the monthly subscription model.

Galfond's videos are basically the nuts and applicable to all stakes IMO, Fernando Habegger's are also very good and more theory orientated, but I don't care much for the other current RIO PLO content.

Basicly rio is the nuts.
As fas i know gandalf is very read and opponent based instead of mathematical approach or am i wrong?

I dont consider his videos as really helpfull because most of them are complicated. He is focusing on single aspects instead giving his whole bigger framework. He has to have a very simple gameplan.
Obviously having an mathematical edge somehow will give you real Cash if you can apply your worked out strategy.
But i guess you have to beat till plo200. Because till then the playerpool is beatable with standard knowledge. At least from my point of view.


What do you guys say about calculations?
Are there any new things coming up or wont come up because poker is dying.

Also there are tons of programms for free out there. Little features who could make an difference imo.

gandalf?