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10-05-2015 , 02:03 PM

p4rticle

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Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $2.61 (130.5 bb)
BB: $3.01 (150.5 bb)
UTG: $2 (100 bb)
MP: $3.06 (153 bb)
Hero (CO): $2 (100 bb)
BTN: $3.51 (175.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q

UTG raises to $0.07, MP folds, Hero calls $0.07, BTN folds, SB calls $0.06, BB folds

Flop: ($0.23) K

(3 players)
SB checks, UTG bets $0.14, Hero raises to $0.50, 2 folds

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So I decide here play Raise/Fold. First of all UTG CBet to much, 2nd thing I feel like I dont have hand where I can call another street.

You think my line was good?

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10-05-2015 , 05:51 PM

Darkfangs

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What is villians CBet%? I don't really like the play unless villian is a maniac. You take away bluffs from villians range by raising here but if you don't feel comfortable playing any more postflop play then this is your only option.

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10-06-2015 , 02:06 AM

p4rticle

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I got only 23 hands for him and till now he play 39/22 and Cbeting 100% (4)

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10-06-2015 , 04:05 AM

mmk911

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I dont like it, any better hand is not folding, and you could get raised with a number of draws on this kind of board. You also have 2 more players behind you...

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10-06-2015 , 04:14 AM

p4rticle

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Originally Posted by mmk911

I dont like it, any better hand is not folding, and you could get raised with a number of draws on this kind of board. You also have 2 more players behind you...

If I call i dont see many cards on the Turn where i can continue...

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10-06-2015 , 04:24 AM

mmk911

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Sure alot of turns would be tricky, but raising for me is the worst of three options you have.

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10-06-2015 , 04:27 AM

ILoveLamp.

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Don't like it.

A raise for info, and raise fold this flop is burning your equity vs pair + FD, NFD, wrap etc etc.

Flat call for me. 2 pair + gutshot is good enough to see a turn with and play from there, especially if you think he's cbetting wide (although 4 from 4 is not really significant...)

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10-06-2015 , 04:52 AM

p4rticle

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Ok so if I call and Turn brings:

- 1st option:

- 2nd option: A* or T*

What you do If he barrel me again? I assume that SB fold on the Flop.

I assume that he barreling Turns 50-60% of the time (so pretty standard).

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And lets change a bit his tendency...

What you will do If he CBet on Flop too much like 75-80% with wide range (he open UTG like 25%), but on Turn he is more honest and Cbet only ~30%. You can still find call Turn even on blank like 5

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10-06-2015 , 06:05 AM

MILLIONAIRE77

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utg opening ranges and especially sb flatting ranges tend to contain a lot of KKxx so i would be weary of raising bottom 2 for purely protection with sb behind.

flatting the flop does allow sb to come along cheaply with draws but also allows villain to continue bluffing. i think flatting the cbet is the way to go.

although your hand is tricky to play on turns you have position and villain will have to deal with the same changing board textures but OOP!

if he is cbetting light/bluffing the most likely cards he is to continue on are Qs and 7s as these are better for his range not ours.

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10-06-2015 , 04:45 PM

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Rei Ayanami

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Originally Posted by p4rticle

I dont have hand where I can call another street.

Not sure of the relevance. Good strategies call hands that should fold unimproved later. Unless you think you'll face a double-barrel like 80%+ of the time . . .

Last edited by Rei Ayanami; 10-06-2015 at 04:54 PM.

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10-07-2015 , 02:19 AM

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p4rticle

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Originally Posted by Rei Ayanami

Not sure of the relevance. Good strategies call hands that should fold unimproved later. Unless you think you'll face a double-barrel like 80%+ of the time . . .

Summarizing what you wrote I understand with that GS option in here I got some outs (like 8) on the Turn.

Anyway with two naked bottom pairs, with no upgrade options on another streets my re-raise would be fine?

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10-07-2015 , 02:56 AM

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mmk911

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Originally Posted by p4rticle

Anyway with two naked bottom pairs, with no upgrade options on another streets my re-raise would be fine?

No.

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10-07-2015 , 03:55 AM

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p4rticle

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Originally Posted by mmk911

No.

Sorry for my pesistence but ...

... when with what kind of hand You can play here Raise/Fold? Im not raising than hand for value... .

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10-07-2015 , 04:48 AM

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ILoveLamp.

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Originally Posted by p4rticle

Sorry for my pesistence but ...

... when with what kind of hand You can play here Raise/Fold? Im not raising than hand for value... .

I'm not sure there is really araise fold range here, unless its some sort of blocker bluff. If you want to raise fold hands with EV, then you should probably just flat call...

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10-07-2015 , 04:58 AM

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p4rticle

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Originally Posted by ILoveLamp.

I'm not sure there is really araise fold range here, unless its some sort of blocker bluff. If you want to raise fold hands with EV, then you should probably just flat call...

Thx mate

Help me a lot with that post

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10-07-2015 , 05:28 AM

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banshee

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I btw wouldn't call this pre. Villain potted and you invite action with a hand that doesn't play that well multiway.

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10-07-2015 , 10:09 AM

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DMoogle

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PF is too loose without good reads on the player. If it were suited to the ace I would play it, however.

Flop raise is bad - when you get it in, you're going to be a dog to his range, and most worse hands are folding. If he had a marginal draw, it's more likely he wouldn't CB. Plus you have SB to worry about.

Call and re-evaluate on the turn. There are a lot of things that could happen.

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10-08-2015 , 03:50 AM

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p4rticle

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Too loose?

I feel like when I will fold hand like this I would be play something like 25/18 etc... a bit nitty for me heh

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10-08-2015 , 08:01 AM

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DMoogle

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I don't think so. This hand just isn't going to play very well against an UTG opening range. You're not even on the button.

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10-08-2015 , 08:17 AM

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I feel like when I will fold hand like this I would be play something like 25/18 etc... a bit nitty for me heh

Fold pre. I fold this pre in this spot and i play 38/24 - and thats mostly zoom mind you, where it is always 6 handed.

Dont raise flop. Thats just bad poker man.

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