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Old 02-06-2012, 11:10 AM   #1
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AQQ8ds preflop spot

BTN is 19/13, relatively tight opening BTN 40%, but the BB is a 60/40/21 nutcase 3b the BB 28% over a large enough sample.

Should I 4b here or just call? Should I 3b preflop the first time if I dont intend to 4b here?

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Old 02-06-2012, 11:15 AM   #2
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Re: AQQ8ds preflop spot

You can 4b to 47, right? I like backraising then

If you want lesser variance, I think 3betting the first time around is going to cut the maniac out often, but that's not necessarily a good thing.
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:40 AM   #3
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pot would be 56, which i assume means u would like it even more.
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:45 AM   #4
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Re: AQQ8ds preflop spot

Do you think it is ok to go all in pre with this hand?
It is kinda dumb no ?
I mean you are dominated by aces and kings
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:52 AM   #5
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Re: AQQ8ds preflop spot

We still have 33% against random AAxx, so if we 4b it's actually an easy 4b/call. Moreover, maniacs like this sometimes decide to 5bet random crap because they feel like gambling so we have a very +EV 4b/call.
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:57 AM   #6
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Do you think it is ok to go all in pre with this hand?
It is kinda dumb no ?
I mean you are dominated by aces and kings
No.
If BTN opens 40% OTB its a 3b PF for me. Especially if you suspect aggro-clown to 4b. BTN should fold most of the time and i get it all in against BB.
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:59 AM   #7
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Re: AQQ8ds preflop spot

Maybe I am a very low variance type player but I do no like that play...
I should pbly learn to do it but I prefer to outplay my opponents post.
Do you think 4betting will put BTN out of the way?
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:01 PM   #8
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flat with the intention of 4betting for value
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:03 PM   #9
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flat with the intention of 4betting for value
+1 and now drop the hammer.
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:26 PM   #10
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Maybe I am a very low variance type player but I do no like that play...
I should pbly learn to do it but I prefer to outplay my opponents post.
Do you think 4betting will put BTN out of the way?
How have to consider position before asking that question. If BB is spewy and 4bs alot i 3bet and BTN should really fold alot if he doesnt want to go all in with his hand, and if our image is not spewy/bad he has to expect us 5betting in this spot.

call/4b makes BTN more inclined to call behind, i would like this hand to be HU rather than 3way. What do you think GGARJ ?
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:50 PM   #11
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Re: AQQ8ds preflop spot

Bart, we have to have the BB 4b us, and though hes crazy he isnt gonna cold 4b that often, and often a back4b here will get him off some of the trashier hands he r/c with, even with him being OTB.

K, yeah I flat to 4b, worked out perfectly, he jammed w/ AAKJss, and I somehow got there.
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Old 02-06-2012, 01:01 PM   #12
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Bart, we have to have the BB 4b us, and though hes crazy he isnt gonna cold 4b that often, and often a back4b here will get him off some of the trashier hands he r/c with, even with him being OTB.

K, yeah I flat to 4b, worked out perfectly, he jammed w/ AAKJss, and I somehow got there.
You mean you flat to 3b ?

But yeah my assumption was if BB is spewy and 4b alot, otherwise i like your line of call/call closing the action preflop. seeing a cheap flop with a good hand.
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Old 02-06-2012, 01:55 PM   #13
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Re: AQQ8ds preflop spot

in the post u quoted I meant get the BTN off of some of his trashier r/c hands, not the BB.

no, I flat to 4b. the BB 3b

even spewy he isnt gonna cold 4b me that much when i 3b, but he is gonna still call a bunch and the BTN will overcall 100%. He will sometimes 4b me obviously, but that range is much stronger
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Old 02-06-2012, 01:58 PM   #14
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Old 02-06-2012, 02:15 PM   #15
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Really like flatting against nit, to 4bet maniac's possible 3bet for value.
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