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01-02-2016 , 08:56 PM
There are some serious super nits online and at ACR. So this dude, Rick James (I call him nit James in chat) is playing this pot with me. I'm proud of the way I played it, how would you guys have played??

Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.10 NL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 125.4 BB
SB: 128.4 BB (VPIP: 36.92, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 3.45, Hands: 69)
BB: 79.7 BB (VPIP: 74.14, PFR: 17.54, 3Bet Preflop: 3.13, Hands: 59)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 22.73, PFR: 14.16, 3Bet Preflop: 7.06, Hands: 221)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q A 3 J

CO raises to 5 BB, Hero calls 5 BB, fold, BB calls 4 BB

Flop: (15.5 BB, 3 players) A A 6
BB checks, CO bets 7.4 BB, Hero calls 7.4 BB, fold

Turn: (30.3 BB, 2 players) T
CO bets 22 BB, Hero????

Spoiler:
CO wins 28.8 BB

0.4 BB was deducted from the pot for the jackpot.

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01-02-2016 , 09:49 PM
fold pre
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01-03-2016 , 02:47 AM
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Originally Posted by OmahaFanatical4
fold pre
really? how tight is your range??
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01-03-2016 , 07:14 AM
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really? how tight is your range??
My range is dependent upon an opponents range. Why would I give action to a nit with a ****ty dominated hand?
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01-03-2016 , 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by OmahaFanatical4
My range is dependent upon an opponents range. Why would I give action to a nit with a ****ty dominated hand?
ya, thats a good point, lol. true, shouldn't have played that against nit.
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01-03-2016 , 09:18 PM
Also I don't really consider 22/14 to be a nit. That's tight aggressive. There are some real ****ing nits on pokerstars, guys playing like 7/3 who never even three bet aces they just keep flatting until they can put it all in. I should know, I used to be one.
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01-03-2016 , 09:19 PM
Actually I think your call pre wasn't too bad.

Omaha Hi Simulation ?
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Equity Wins Ties
QcAd3hJh 47.25% 272,206 22,645
30% 52.75% 305,149 22,645
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01-04-2016 , 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by OmahaFanatical4
fold pre
I also fold this preflop, yea mb we have good equity vs his range, but this hand is too hard play postflop,we cant call a squiz first, if we hit fd ,we dont know where we are
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01-04-2016 , 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by OmahaFanatical4
My range is dependent upon an opponents range. Why would I give action to a nit with a ****ty dominated hand?
Because we have position on a TAG with a constructed range. What we lose in handvalue we can get in positional value. Also when Hero has a LAG image we can play the hand proitable.

to hand:

call flop, call turn, decide on river... must likely fold when he makes 85%+pot and we did not make best boat. hes also shutting down on the river pretty often and we can valuebet or check behind.
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01-04-2016 , 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by bartolomeus
to hand:

call flop, call turn, decide on river... must likely fold when he makes 85%+pot and we did not make best boat. hes also shutting down on the river pretty often and we can valuebet or check behind.

I folded turn. I think at the best on the turn he has AQ with no K in his hand (we are splitting). I think he very likely has AK and has us here. I was proud of the fold. I noticed, this guy doesn't bluff, I looked him up a couple times. He, like most at this level, never bluff and bet when they have it.
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01-04-2016 , 02:23 PM
i think its an incorrect fold on the turn to a 22bb bet given we are deep often have the best hand and still drawing live.

he will be betting any Ax ott and i think he can have more hands then AK AQ AT and also some occasional bluffs
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01-04-2016 , 03:18 PM
heīs not even that nitty. no need to insult the dood
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01-04-2016 , 04:25 PM
Pre is fine, the problem is you can't play a 3b pot, so my play is dependent on the blinds tempo more than anything

flop I raise small into a fold if he jams, although 6 outs plus him having AJ*!6 or rebluffing worse makes it close

turn call and fold is close
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01-04-2016 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by sauhund
heīs not even that nitty. no need to insult the dood
compared to me that's really nitty. Over small sample of 1k hands at this level my VPIP is over 50% and I'm in the green, lol. IMO anything with VPIP below 25 is nitty. But I will always play my game and be a LAG so ya, TAGS are nits to me although the terminology and definitions probably differ from person to person.. I guess I am underestimating how derogatory the term nit is and probably shouldn't post the word on here. Although in my head I will always think a person is nitty/tight if their VPIP is 25 or below.......

I sometimes find myself imagining how much more exciting a game would be if we made a rule that everybody at the table must maintain VPIP 50% or higher, lol

Last edited by Wealth$; 01-04-2016 at 05:12 PM.
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01-04-2016 , 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by bartolomeus
i think its an incorrect fold on the turn to a 22bb bet given we are deep often have the best hand and still drawing live.
I strongly disagree that we often have the best hand here against this villain. Played enough hands with him to be confident in that read. I could be wrong here obviously (nobody is ever always right or plays everything perfectly) but I think your statement that we often have the best hand here against this opponent is incorrect.... I just don't see him betting into us on the turn here this big with anything worse than AQxx and he could even have AQ66/AK66, lol
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01-04-2016 , 05:04 PM
Have a couple more interesting hands to post later as well. Really loving omaha guys, I am liking it more than cash NLH online.
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01-04-2016 , 05:09 PM
Ok , if we are behind and we know it, math will help us to make a right decision, we have 6 outs to the nuts it is 11%, and have to call 1:2,5 with a poor potential odds, it a clear fold
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01-04-2016 , 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by friedrice88
Ok , if we are behind and we know it, math will help us to make a right decision, we have 6 outs to the nuts it is 11%, and have to call 1:2,5 with a poor potential odds, it a clear fold
We never know for sure. But I feel strongly we are behind and at best up against AQxx
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01-04-2016 , 11:43 PM
+1 for fold pre; our hand looks better than it is. It has a dangler and no nut (or even 2nd nut) suit. It's no wonder you are playing over 50% VPIP and it's most definitely bad. Being in the green over a 1000 hand sample is irrelevant. You could have just ran good; but apart from that even if you are genuinely winning that way it's no way the most profitable. If you are winning 4bb/100 and you tighten up to 25-35 VPIP you could go to winning 8bb/100.

Post-flop I agree with folding turn. The dangler potentially has an impact on our ability to call the turn too here. If we had an 8 instead of the 3 and our opponent has A6xx then we now have an extra out and almost 20% equity.
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01-04-2016 , 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by F_Ivanovic
It's no wonder you are playing over 50% VPIP and it's most definitely bad. Being in the green over a 1000 hand sample is irrelevant. You could have just ran good; but apart from that even if you are genuinely winning that way it's no way the most profitable. If you are winning 4bb/100 and you tighten up to 25-35 VPIP you could go to winning 8bb/100.
I am going to continue with my 50% and see how it goes from here. Over 1300 hands (total $10 NLO&PLO combined) I'm actually running about 45BB/100. I will attach screen shots, lol

Last edited by Wealth$; 01-05-2016 at 12:15 AM.
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01-05-2016 , 12:06 AM



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01-05-2016 , 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Wealth$
I strongly disagree that we often have the best hand here against this villain. Played enough hands with him to be confident in that read. I could be wrong here obviously (nobody is ever always right or plays everything perfectly) but I think your statement that we often have the best hand here against this opponent is incorrect.... I just don't see him betting into us on the turn here this big with anything worse than AQxx and he could even have AQ66/AK66, lol
Need a very strong read to fold the turn and when youre confident with your read a fold is okay i guess.

But as the others said if your read was that strong he is nitty your hand is dominated and you should not call preflop if you cant make that turn call.

by the way as sauhund said, i dont think his stats are particularly nitty and his range is wider than you think in later pos.

if hes aware of his image he might also double barrel with ss+ rundowns QTJK QJT9 TJ87 getting you off QQx KKx or a weak Ax maybe.

Guess his turn sizing would be larger with AKx TTx A6x? Or is this his standard sizing?
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01-05-2016 , 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Wealth$



well, I would not be too proud of those screenshots tbh
esp after excluding AIEV which has you running at over -30bb...

see, I donīt want to come around like a dick, but over 50vpip is just not optimal, and I doubt you have the skills to win longterm with these stats
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01-05-2016 , 10:42 AM
1300 hands not a relevant sample at all and tells basicly nothing about how good or bad you are.

again as sauhund said your stats are very suboptimal and i doubt you will win long term 200k+ hands with that play style.

i consider myself pretty aggressive with about 37/25/8 and have to force myself to tighten up a bit on certain tables. once you move up to plo25+ good players will recognize what youre doing and will abuse you pretty hard.
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01-05-2016 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by bartolomeus
1300 hands not a relevant sample at all and tells basicly nothing about how good or bad you are.
How many hands are a relevant sample? 10K+??
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