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07-23-2016 , 08:20 AM
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I only call pre cause i know if i get a good flop i can get it in a huge favorite as both there ranges are going to be big pairs and boardway cards alot
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07-23-2016 , 08:28 AM
lol @ pre
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07-23-2016 , 08:50 AM
Pre is a huge mistake. Your hand is honestly garbage and cold calling is disgusting as well. On the flop it's a standard GII, but really the biggest issue is preflop.
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07-23-2016 , 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by SolarAU
Pre is a huge mistake. Your hand is honestly garbage and cold calling is disgusting as well. On the flop it's a standard GII, but really the biggest issue is preflop.
is calling the initial 3bet alright or just straight up fold then and there
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07-23-2016 , 09:44 AM
The only time you aren't folding it is on the big blind and it's free.

You have a tiny pair which is scary when you hit a set with it, particularly out of position.

You have a few cards which, unless hit perfectly, will be the underside of most straights, thus your wrap potential is often going to put you into ugly situations.

You're much better off with a/5/6/8 with a suited ace (which on its own is not a good hand) than you are with a hand like this.

Get in the habit of folding this in most situations. You need to review your playable hands. You might be playing hands that are a lot worse than you realize.
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07-23-2016 , 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by HawkesDave
The only time you aren't folding it is on the big blind and it's free.

You have a tiny pair which is scary when you hit a set with it, particularly out of position.

You have a few cards which, unless hit perfectly, will be the underside of most straights, thus your wrap potential is often going to put you into ugly situations.

You're much better off with a/5/6/8 with a suited ace (which on its own is not a good hand) than you are with a hand like this.

Get in the habit of folding this in most situations. You need to review your playable hands. You might be playing hands that are a lot worse than you realize.
You are spitting out your opinion like it is an absolute when in fact it's pretty wrong.
Yeah, cold calling a 3bet is a mistake, but this is a fine hand to defend your bb in a single raised pot, to complete your sb when it's folded to and to steal from the btn as default play, depending on stats there are situations where you can be even wider.
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07-23-2016 , 09:58 AM
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You are spitting out your opinion like it is an absolute when in fact it's pretty wrong.
Yeah, cold calling a 3bet is a mistake, but this is a fine hand to defend your bb in a single raised pot, to complete your sb when it's folded to and to steal from the btn as default play, depending on stats there are situations where you can be even wider.
If you want to spin it in that way, then that applies to nearly any hand in PLO (minus 3/4 of a kind hands, or hands j/q or less with no connection).

He's calling 3-bets OOP with this hand and you want to start telling him when to play it? He's probably got far bigger issues with hand selection in his game.

It sounds like he needs to work on his foundations before he learns the rare occasional situation where a hand like this is playable outside of it being free.
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07-23-2016 , 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by HawkesDave
If you want to spin it in that way, then that applies to nearly any hand in PLO (minus 3/4 of a kind hands, or hands j/q or less with no connection).

He's calling 3-bets OOP with this hand and you want to start telling him when to play it? He's probably got far bigger issues with hand selection in his game.

It sounds like he needs to work on his foundations before he learns the rare occasional situation where a hand like this is playable outside of it being free.
Its not that rare bruh
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07-23-2016 , 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by FLiPnSHiP
is calling the initial 3bet alright or just straight up fold then and there
The "only" problem in the hand is your intial call of the 3bet. I mean it's not like you can fold to the 4b after calling the 3b, and it's not like you're gonna fold the flop.

So yes, the mistake here is precisely that you called the 3b. Cold-calling a 3b oop with ****ing 3446? Come on, you know better

Your thinking here is the flawed part: "I only call pre cause i know if i get a good flop i can get it in a huge favorite as both there ranges are going to be big pairs and boardway cards alot"
The sentence does make logical sense and it is true. If you flop good you can get it in as a huge favorite vs their big card ranges. The thing with poker is that it isn't about making good hands, it's about making money, and the call is in the long run not making you money.
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07-23-2016 , 04:40 PM
As has been said cold calling 3b is really bad and you likely have a ton of pre-flop leaks if you are cold-calling this hand to a 3b. We're only going to flop something worth continuing with about 20% of the time and the times we GII our equity isn't going to be high enough to make up for the money lost when we have to just check fold.
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07-23-2016 , 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by sauhund
Its not that rare bruh
There is no winning on the Internet, let it go buddy
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07-28-2016 , 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by FLiPnSHiP
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I only call pre cause i know if i get a good flop i can get it in a huge favorite as both there ranges are going to be big pairs and boardway cards alot
I guess you have never experienced the set over set phenomenon...
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07-28-2016 , 05:30 AM
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Originally Posted by paratrooper99
I guess you have never experienced the set over set phenomenon...
I will reiterate that. Sure you can hit some flops that you GII as a favourite, but you can be easily set over set but honestly if you ran numbers on any random flop you're going to have a huge number of flops you have to give up on + flops you get outflopped on.
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