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07-16-2013 , 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by bartolomeus
Pretty hard to find a live poker game in germany (at least where i live) and allmost impossible to find a PLO game.

But i really doubt i can make more money playing live than playing online multitabling at PS.
Hourly should be higher for me playing plo25-100 playing online, but winrate live in soft games plo200+ should be higher as live players tend to be more fishy.

just have to find a good game
I have ~double expected hourly at $5/5 live vs 8 tabling PLO100.
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07-16-2013 , 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by tmckendry
I have ~double expected hourly at $5/5 live vs 8 tabling PLO100.
thats what i was saying. where do you live ?
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07-16-2013 , 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by bartolomeus
thats what i was saying. where do you live ?
I travel. Most of my hours are from Vegas/LA. But yeah-- games are hard to come by(esp in Europe).
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07-16-2013 , 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by tmckendry
I travel. Most of my hours are from Vegas/LA. But yeah-- games are hard to come by(esp in Europe).
that makes sense, where else do you have as much diversity and choice as in vegas/la. where i live theres only 1 casino with 1 nlh table other casinos are like 200km+ away.

Not everyone has the luxury to live in a good poker infrastructure.
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07-16-2013 , 02:49 PM
Super job Aesah. With my bankroll next to zippo due to online being gone and a wife.. this was fun to read.

I love to buy into the 1/2 PLO game at the local casino for about 140. I feel like such a stiff sitting there and waiting for my spots with good hands to push with. I don't think I've ever taken down a pot without all in.

It seems everybody has at least 500 and some with a few grand. No reason to play deeper with my own money since they toss it around like nothing. Your guide is right on. I usually walk out with a meager few hundred gain. And funny enough I felt like you had my playbook. For entertainment value and cast of characters, there is nothing like it on TV.
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07-16-2013 , 03:30 PM
Also, I've read Jeff Hwang's books and I think he did some awesome work. I learned a lot.

But, I'm yet to see a blind vs blind battle or a chance to play on the flop heads up with positional advantage. This game just doesn't seem operate like that. Most pots are at least 5 handed on the flop. If you raise the pot all the limpers will call. Folding before the flop is rare and to get a fold preflop after a limp you have to repot. Most of the time there is a 5 dollar straddle so that is a play for stacks type raise... Not really a 'small ball' game. Fun though.

Maybe some three betting would thin the field. Not sure anything less than a repot preflop would do the trick though. Maybe I'm wrong on that. Never tried it.
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07-16-2013 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Aesah
Just finished my first video on the "why" of live PLO! You can view it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L4Kb9embX4
Watched video. Nice work. Guess you answered my thoughts on 3 betting lol. And yes.. Most fun game in the room by far.
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07-19-2013 , 04:25 PM
But as I look through Jeff's stuff again.. I realize those situations are pretty much all online so my mistake.
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07-20-2013 , 11:27 AM
nice post op, thanks for posting it

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02-08-2014 , 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Aesah
Table selection and buyin:
Dude, you can't table select in live PLO, consider yourself lucky if you even have access to one of these gold mines. Take 10 seconds to scan the table, then buy in for ~75bb if less than half of the players look like professionals. Note that out of the players who do look like professionals, most of them probably suck anyway.
Say you want to play $1/$2 but there is a $5 bring-in as opposed to being able to limp in for the $2. Are we buying in for $150 or does the $5 bring make the game too big? Max buy-in is $500 and min $100.
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02-08-2014 , 12:31 PM
The total amount posted in a hand is $8, so it's more like a (shallowish) 2/5 game.
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02-08-2014 , 10:20 PM
Where you on live at the bike last nite ?
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02-08-2014 , 10:45 PM
tmckendry was an totally nitted it up iirc
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02-09-2014 , 02:04 PM
Are you doing any coaching or system plays for plo
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02-09-2014 , 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by doctorflush
Are you doing any coaching
PM me
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02-09-2014 , 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Eifersuchtig
tmckendry was an totally nitted it up iirc
And proud.

$5+$1 drop. If someone limps and action is on you, its a $3 limp to win $1.

Over-limping/limping is horrible unless massive whale in the pot
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02-10-2014 , 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Morph3us
Say you want to play $1/$2 but there is a $5 bring-in as opposed to being able to limp in for the $2. Are we buying in for $150 or does the $5 bring make the game too big? Max buy-in is $500 and min $100.
Ah the Shoe game. With only 150 you only have 30bbs to work with and I think is too short. 300 is 60bb and gives you some flexibility and would be the minimum to buy in for that let's you "play poker."

Bankroll for this game is 10k+. Keeping in mind that if you short buy variance increases as you will be getting all in/to showdown more often than with a full buy in.
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02-11-2014 , 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by jzpiano
Ah the Shoe game. With only 150 you only have 30bbs to work with and I think is too short. 300 is 60bb and gives you some flexibility and would be the minimum to buy in for that let's you "play poker."

Bankroll for this game is 10k+. Keeping in mind that if you short buy variance increases as you will be getting all in/to showdown more often than with a full buy in.
Yea I know all this, I was just curious what Aesah had to say about the $5 bring-in is all. I really would prefer to buy-in full to be honest but definitely wouldn't buy-in for less than $300.
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02-11-2014 , 01:39 PM
Think of it llike a 2/5 game
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02-12-2014 , 12:36 AM
What's a rock straddle ?
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11-27-2014 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Mt.FishNoob
Decent post, but I would put something in there regarding how many players are at the table, or is it just assuming 9 players in live plo? THe blinding down being irrilevent also suggests 9 players. 9 max and 6 max actually play very very differently in plo, opposed to in nlhe where the change is not as great.
Sorry for bringing up an old post, but can you explain how 9 max and 6 max play very differently? Some examples would be nice too!

I know when I play plo live I tend to limp a lot more hands and try to see flops cheap but online 6 max I tend to raise a lot more hands in position. But both games I'm still trying to make nut hands. It's only when I play heads up that I'll settle for weaker hands (one pair, 2 pair, weak flushes/straights, etc)

~o~
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11-28-2014 , 01:00 AM
This is a great post and from my experience in live it would apply all the way up to 5-10 PLO in the casino where I play, foxwoods, and possibly even higher.
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11-30-2014 , 12:22 AM
when 100BB or less and OOP:
I mainly c/r the flop with the nut draw and go all in on the turn.

How should you play the nut draw OOP when you and your opponent are deep (300BB+)?
ie: c/r flop, pot turn. What to do if you miss the river?
go all in for a 3 barrel bluff?
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01-23-2015 , 04:36 AM
At the Horseshoe game in Hammond where you say $5 bring in, is that a mandatory 3rd blind, or just whoever wants to come in first has to put 5?
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