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AdQs8dJh , 3b vs 4 player? AdQs8dJh , 3b vs 4 player?

04-21-2017 , 10:36 AM
Ep was look aktiv and he not autorebuy , so i think he is a bit fishy player .
Co look solid , and he knows what he is doing.
Btn shorty , i want spin with him.

pre:
Pre 3b or not? And if yes we full pot is 10.5 , feel like have much mor fee becouse is look much bigger , if we just 3b 9.5 the button push we can 5b allin , but with 9.5 is nothing guarantee btn will push , and we have less fee.

postflop: we hu with co , his range have many many KKxx and rundowns , double pair hands , he will rarely have a 3 , what to do on the flop ? if we always bluff that spot we will be overbluffing . bet 1/3 pot and push any turn , bet full pot , lets see what happen?

    Party, $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    SB: $33.85 (67.7 bb)
    Hero (BB): $50 (100 bb)
    UTG: $49.57 (99.1 bb)
    MP: $102.22 (204.4 bb)
    CO: $57.12 (114.2 bb)
    BTN: $19.18 (38.4 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 8 Q A J
    UTG raises to $1.75, MP folds, CO calls $1.75, BTN calls $1.75, SB calls $1.50, Hero raises to $10.50, UTG folds, CO calls $8.75, 2 folds

    Flop: ($26.25) 3 6 3 (2 players)
    Hero bets $24.94, CO raises to $46.62 and is all-in, Hero calls $14.56 and is all-in

    Turn: ($105.25) A (2 players, 2 are all-in)
    River: ($105.25) 9 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $105.25 pot ($3 rake)
    Final Board: 3 6 3 A 9
    Hero showed 8 Q A J and lost (-$50 net)
    CO showed 6 6 5 A and won $102.25 ($52.25 net)
    AdQs8dJh , 3b vs 4 player? Quote
    04-21-2017 , 11:46 AM
    I flat pre, b/f small on flop as played. You are pushing no equity pre with this hand and very often going multiway. With an active UTG and a short BTN, you are going to get into some very favourable spots postflop by flatting this hand.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Rorooen
    postflop: we hu with co , his range have many many KKxx and rundowns , double pair hands , he will rarely have a 3 , what to do on the flop ? if we always bluff that spot we will be overbluffing . bet 1/3 pot and push any turn , bet full pot , lets see what happen?
    Instead of seeing what happens, think what happens when you bet full pot. You fold out everything but trips, wrap, set (kk iffy). Now think what you fold out with a 1/3 psb and what hands villain can float with.

    Unless I am missing something I don't know how you've come to the conclusion that you will be overbluffing when you look at what your range will be in this spot. And if you were overbluffing, villain would have to be spewing to do anything about it.
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    04-23-2017 , 01:48 PM
    yeh i flat pre as i expect it to stay multiway post flop

    in your hand i'd bet 3/4 pot on flop and continue to rep AA
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    04-23-2017 , 04:24 PM
    Cbetting so huge on this board is so atrocious. Either they have it or they don't. Such a dry board. Bet like 1/3 to 1/2 and fold to aggression considering you don't even have a pair? Even with AA I'd say folding would be ideal. Most people aren't just reraising on these sorts of flops with like 754xx etc.

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    04-23-2017 , 07:45 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DeKs
    Cbetting so huge on this board is so atrocious. Either they have it or they don't. Such a dry board. Bet like 1/3 to 1/2 and fold to aggression considering you don't even have a pair? Even with AA I'd say folding would be ideal. Most people aren't just reraising on these sorts of flops with like 754xx etc.

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    You are commited with a 1/2 psb w/ AA unless I've failed using PPT and a calculator.

    I'm still starting out so I don't play these stakes. Are most players at plo50 really not shoving 457 here? are you?

    This subforum gives me anxiety but I can't stay away, lol, I start to question my whole strategy.
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    04-23-2017 , 07:46 PM
    I play 3/6, 5/10, 10/20. Not low stakes

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    04-23-2017 , 07:47 PM
    You have like no equity versus a 3 busto

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    04-23-2017 , 07:48 PM
    Bet calling is absolutely horrible imo

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    04-23-2017 , 07:49 PM
    This hand is especially

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    04-23-2017 , 10:47 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DeKs
    You have like no equity versus a 3 busto

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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DeKs
    Bet calling is absolutely horrible imo

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    AA w/o any additional equity has 12% vs a bare 3 and we need 25% equity to call a shove if we make a 1/2 psb.

    If we build villains raising range in this spot we have enough equity to call, and if your b/c range at 3/6-10/20 games is 3+ you probably have enough equity to call with OPs hand against any observant thinking player, unless I have made a catastrophic error, which may be the case.
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    04-24-2017 , 05:23 AM
    No pair and a backdoor flush draw on a paired board. Even your pairs might not even be good? Um what are you doing?

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    04-24-2017 , 11:19 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DeKs
    No pair and a backdoor flush draw on a paired board. Even your pairs might not even be good? Um what are you doing?

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    I've made it quite clear I'm talking about AA and you know I am because you wrote this:

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    Originally Posted by DeKs
    Bet calling is absolutely horrible imo

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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DeKs
    This hand is especially

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    I don't know if you're trolling but I see you aren't going to discuss your reasoning as to why I'm wrong and b/f is right other than "you are dead vs a 3"

    Sorry I sent your thread a bit off topic Rorooen.
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    04-24-2017 , 07:10 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DeKs
    I play 3/6, 5/10, 10/20. Not low stakes

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    Which sites?
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    04-24-2017 , 07:26 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by gay_on_tse
    Which sites?
    Why does it matter?

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    04-24-2017 , 11:46 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DeKs
    I play 3/6, 5/10, 10/20. Not low stakes

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    Where do you play? Should we be treating your advice as high-stakes winner material?
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    04-25-2017 , 06:26 AM
    It took 6 posts to tell you to fold. We're gonna need like 60 more to get the reasoning.
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    04-28-2017 , 07:28 AM
    So you telling me guys to make a bet/ fold here ?
    i think is dosnt matter my betsize if vilian have a strait draw or 3 they will go with it.
    if i check i have no chance to win this hand .
    maybe i like to see bet15/give up .

    pls some clever plo player write me a nice post here.
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    04-29-2017 , 07:25 AM
    Flat pre.. i hate 3 betting here against utg open and so many callers, utg can have aces, one of the limpers can have crappy aces..

    on the flop, you are repping aces, aces never full pots this flop (or atleast shouldnt)

    bet 1/3 or 50% pot on the flop since you got yourself in this mess and fold if he pushes..

    most importantly to take away from this hand, dont 3bet in this spot, you have a hand that plays EXTREMELY well with many opponents on the flop, you have the NFD and can have many straights dominated.

    if you whiff the flop multiway simple check fold, no headacke move one to the next hand
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