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AA78s 4-5b pot deep AA78s 4-5b pot deep

03-22-2016 , 12:50 AM
Sorry i post one hand twice.
Hi. Not the strongest Aces , but many where i read if we can go under spr.1 on the flopp is good 4b ,5b. Im not feel comfortable to put all my stack in , but after i bet that small and he went allin , im sure im not good. I dont really know should i 5b this or not .
    Prima, $0.10/$0.20 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 3 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    SB: $62.63 (313.2 bb)
    Hero (BB): $46.10 (230.5 bb)
    BTN: $88 (440 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 7 A 8 A
    BTN folds, SB raises to $0.60, Hero raises to $1.80, SB raises to $5.40, Hero raises to $16.20, SB calls $10.80

    Flop: ($32.40) 3 J 8 (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $7, SB raises to $46.43, Hero folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: $46.40 pot ($0.40 rake)
    Final Board: 3 J 8
    SB mucked and won $46.00 ($22.80 net)
    Hero mucked 7 A 8 A and lost (-$23.20 net)

    Last edited by Robertobini; 03-22-2016 at 01:03 AM.
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    03-22-2016 , 01:18 AM
    I like your flop sizing.

    I think flop has to be a fold, the times that he just has the Kd, Ah blockers don't out weight the times he just jams his nut flushes.
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    03-22-2016 , 05:52 AM
    shove flop or bet/call, but donŽt fold.
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    03-22-2016 , 09:35 AM
    You think we can't consider folding this deep?
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    03-22-2016 , 09:58 AM
    one of my friend told me he would 5b and just shove the flop , is a big bet 150bb and we can be easily dead.
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    03-22-2016 , 10:20 AM
    SPR is 1, it's a pure math spot. Things like "we can easily be dead" are meaningless.
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    03-22-2016 , 10:21 AM
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    Originally Posted by SolarAU
    You think we can't consider folding this deep?
    nope, we only got 1 psb left
    bet/calling is viable as well as an overall strat if you feel youŽd gather a bigger adv with your whole range with this sizing vs specific opp and if you do have a b/f range in that spot, but vs unkn who might easily make a big mistake by overfolding hands he should gii vs a shove we do well with using a exploitable shove I feel.
    whatever you do though, donŽt fold on this board with less than 1psb left in a hu pot.
    pre is good as well. I know it can be unconfortable to ride out the variance in such deep pots and sometimes get 230bb in stoned dead, but you are printing money long term in this spot (if you donŽt b/fold)
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    03-22-2016 , 12:41 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SolarAU
    You think we can't consider folding this deep?
    Bet/folding with this low a SPR is not an option. Stacks depth is irrelevant, I have no idea why you mention it? The only relevant variables are SPR and his range.

    You will see a lot of villains who arent folding pair + OESD, wraps or pair + gutterball. Their odds are just too good as Heros AA heavy range has a flush less than 25% of the time.

    When you bet 7 into 32 you need about 25% eq to gii vs a jam. I have no idea how you conclude that villain cant have all those hands against which we have upwards to 50% eq.

    Listen to Rey and Sau. They know wtf they are talking about. Jam flop, next hand. If you are dead you are dead. Flop the nut flush the next time in stead. Its all in the game, yo
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    03-22-2016 , 02:49 PM
    Yeah you're definitely right, not exactly sure what I was thinking tbh.
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    03-22-2016 , 07:45 PM
    Nothing much to add other than Rei, Sauhund and Oink are all correct.

    The point of getting SPR under 1 is so you can unexploitably shove flop and be +ev. The only way we should ever veer away from an unexploitable play is if we think we can gain more ev by playing exploitable. Without a ton of reads on villain, that's just not going to be the case.

    As for bet-sizing - I like it in most instances, but not with this hand. Would bet this size with some flushes, some b/f bluffs and maybe TP + OE/wrap and sets. Would pot with 2 pair, some flushes and AA. (If I'm trying to be balanced and unexploitable)

    Basically with AA here we're happy for villain to make a mistake and fold hands he shouldn't. We don't want to induce and we shouldn't be b/f.
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