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08-16-2015 , 12:24 PM
Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players

BTN: $21.01
Hero (SB): $14.59
BB: $5.12
UTG: $11.25
MP: $14.69 is 12/10 after 42 hands
CO: $26.41

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with A Q A 2
1 fold, MP raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, MP calls $0.70

Flop: ($2.10) 3 6 T (2 players)
Hero bets $1.40, MP calls $1.40

Turn: ($4.90) J (2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks----- When I think about this spot right now I feel like half of the deck is scary. Like 7-K(daimonds are less scary but still do not like them that much)- "omg he has rundown for sure and hit second pair/trips or str8".
What is general strategy on this kind of turn(SPR=2,4 and at this point I am slightly behind his range)? Bet /fold? X/call seems bad? bet(pot???)/gii seems spewy... x/f seems too weak... bet 0,7p/fold to a jam is probably stupid since I need only 30% equity to call him when I bet 0,7p on the turn...
Am I to scared in this situation? Maybe I should flat call preflop to avoid postflop problems...


River: ($4.90) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $4.69, Hero folds-- it does not look like bluff at all....
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08-16-2015 , 01:12 PM
Bet turn for value or protection, what to do when raised is not the main problem.
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08-16-2015 , 01:22 PM
AAQ2ss is tricky to play out of the small blind at 140bb, the deuce is very useless tbh in this SPR OOP. I think a flat preflop is viable, so is the raise of course but generally prefer the flat.

The calling range on flop should have you crushed in terms of him not being able to make much mistakes, you cannot narrow his range at all and it is going to be difficult to come out on top. Of course he is calling very often also as many combos connect with the T63.

Turn is wide open imo relative to opponent meta

check raise
bet/fold
bet/shove

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MP: $14.69 is 12/10 after 42 hands
based on this I would bet/fold
checking most rivers

if it was someone who had wider stats I would check/fold or in some rare circumstance against a reg with timing tells involved I would check raise.

as played on river.... he has lots of T*** which may bluff and we can guess he doesn't have JT or a set from he turn check behind, I would tend to expect a lower sizing if it is a value bet, I would not expect much 45 in his open range. Someone who is 12/10 on short sample in these micro stakes may be weird enough to show up with all sorts of ****.

Anyway if you flat pre the whole hand will simplify for you, I think you need AAQ5 at a minimum to be confiedent in 3bing pre.... simply because of positional defecit, AAQ8 would become mandatory 3b for me.

Last edited by Mt.FishNoob; 08-16-2015 at 01:28 PM.
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08-16-2015 , 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Mt.FishNoob
AAQ2ss is tricky to play out of the small blind at 140bb, the deuce is very useless tbh in this SPR OOP. I think a flat preflop is viable, so is the raise of course but generally prefer the flat.

The calling range on flop should have you crushed in terms of him not being able to make much mistakes, you cannot narrow his range at all and it is going to be difficult to come out on top. Of course he is calling very often also as many combos connect with the T63.

Turn is wide open imo relative to opponent meta

check raise
bet/fold
bet/shove



based on this I would bet/fold
checking most rivers

if it was someone who had wider stats I would check/fold or in some rare circumstance against a reg with timing tells involved I would check raise.

as played on river.... he has lots of T*** which may bluff and we can guess he doesn't have JT or a set from he turn check behind, I would tend to expect a lower sizing if it is a value bet, I would not expect much 45 in his open range. Someone who is 12/10 on short sample in these micro stakes may be weird enough to show up with all sorts of ****.

Anyway if you flat pre the whole hand will simplify for you, I think you need AAQ5 at a minimum to be confiedent in 3bing pre.... simply because of positional defecit, AAQ8 would become mandatory 3b for me.
looking forward to hear reasons behind this.
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08-16-2015 , 02:53 PM
If you hadn't used the word positional defecit I would think someone else was posting instead of you MFN. I mean your always going on about newb's not 3b their AA hand (and rightly so) yet now your advocating flatting AA with a nut suit in a spot where we can get HU with a 3b the vast majority of the time?

The only AA we shouldn't be 3b here IMO is rainbow AA (with the exception of some AA)

Anyway as played turn can be totally dependant on how often villain is calling flop c-bets (as well as how loose they are pre) I think we can bet again OTT, doesn't matter vs a 12/10 if it's transparent but just bet half pot or something and hope lots of rivers get checked through
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08-16-2015 , 04:38 PM
I'm a complete noob at this game so maybe you can disregard what I'm saying, but I'm going to give my opinion anyway. I think you should check/fold, because he probably has JT for top two pair or maybe a set of Js or Ts. He did call the flop and I don't think people at $10 Omaha are floating to bluff you off a likely AAxx hand especially tight players.

If your opponent has QQxx or KKxx in his hand I don't think he'd bet that big on the river. So folding there is good.

I think calling an open with AAxx is fine sometimes, because someone after you might raise it and get additional callers and you can comfortably get it all-in and stack someone with a QQxx or KKxx hand.
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08-16-2015 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by TheGodson
because he probably has JT for top two pair or maybe a set of Js or Ts.
This violates basic combinatorics. The only way he "probably" has [JJ, JT, TT] (as in, those hands make up more of his range than other hands) is if he folds stuff like AQT4 on the flop while calling AJT4 because he knows a jack is coming.
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08-16-2015 , 08:32 PM
he missed the inside wrap 789
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08-16-2015 , 09:14 PM
Oh, I meant when he bets the river. But yeah when he calls the flop I think his range might look something like QJT9, KQJT, KQT9, TTxx, JJxx, QQxx, KKxx. AQT4 has a dangler and I don't think he opens with that. If he does then I suspect him to fold the flop with it. On the river I think he has top two pair or better when he's betting.

I've only been getting into this game yesterday. I've played it before in the past, but never really grasped starting hands until recently... kind of.

Recently stacked 5 other people with
A A 2 3

They each had
K 9 Q T
5 4 5 3
Q 3 8 K
8 7 6 7
8 J 8 7

I ended up losing, but I had 29.37% equity in the hand.

This game is awesome!

I think Omaha is still at a very unevolved stage. Perhaps I can make a killing at this game.
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08-17-2015 , 03:44 AM
prefer flatting pre

barreling turn as played, you can make a lot of the hands he peeled with fold. need to charge him anyway if he wants to continue. x/c turn is very difficult to play unless u can read villain's soul

that river sizing can/should be bluffs sometimes. people betting big because they want u to fold isn't that uncommon so i wouldn't entertain the thinking "it doesn't look like a bluff at all". would actually lean towards calling since u block the 2 (less river'd 2pr combos), he shouldn't have a ton of 54 in his range due to how tight he is pre-flop + being MP, and he has tons of combos that missed turn/river (T98, T97, 698, 697, T75, T74, etc...) that would be tempted to bluff
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08-17-2015 , 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by F_Ivanovic
If you hadn't used the word positional defecit I would think someone else was posting instead of you MFN. I mean your always going on about noobs not 3b their AA hand (and rightly so) yet now your advocating flatting AA with a nut suit in a spot where we can get HU with a 3b the vast majority of the time?

The only AA we shouldn't be 3b here IMO is rainbow AA (with the exception of some AA)

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Originally Posted by sauhund
looking forward to hear reasons behind this.
As I said the deuce is pretty useless. Normally I advocate a mandatory 3b because either the aces are better or the 3b would simplify the situation opposed to complicate it. 3bing out the SB is generally heavily discoutned against many factors and AAQ2ss is like a whole % worse than AAQ8ss in terms of equity. Which swings it alot when you are in a skeptical positions such as the SB with a narrowed 3b range which you are in the bottom 40% of in terms of playability. That % of equity exponentially increases in value if you are a better player and can use/consider the card in more dimensions. I really hate a deuce to be honest, it is the worst card afterall. LIke I would probably play 8888 but never ever in million years would play 2222.

I never not 3b AAds+ AA74ss+ AA97+ I can go a bit wider agianst some players but against such players I have wider 3b range globally but I don't max the sizing to allow the slack.

If we are 100bb then it is ALOT different also. I would be raising AAQ2ss more often, but here we can get SPR accelerated almost to a similary significant extent by enticing the BB to play his dominated pairs/diamonds like T554ds and so forth, whilst he may even 3b his AK KK AQQ allowing us to ambush with the 4b.
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