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08-11-2014 , 08:46 AM
UTG is unknown but he is platinum star so he is probably playing higher limits.

PokerStars - $0.05 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $5.78
CO: $4.68
Hero (BTN): $5.22
SB: $3.81
BB: $4.67

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero has T J 7 T

UTG raises to $0.17, CO calls $0.17, Hero calls $0.17, SB calls $0.15, fold

Flop: ($0.73, 4 players) 8 A Q
SB checks, UTG bets $0.70, fold, Hero calls $0.70, fold

Turn: ($2.13, 2 players) 4
UTG bets $2.05, Hero calls $2.05

River: ($6.23, 2 players) T
UTG checks, Hero bets $2.30 and is all-in, UTG calls $2.30
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08-11-2014 , 08:57 AM
River shove is bad. We aren't folding anything better and nothing worse is calling. We have showdown value now so just check it back.
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08-11-2014 , 09:11 AM
River check looks better now. Is calling flop and turn good or maybe raise/gii on flop?
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08-11-2014 , 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by F_Ivanovic
River shove is bad. We aren't folding anything better and nothing worse is calling. We have showdown value now so just check it back.
dafuq...
river shove is totally fine. anything else is so ***** weak. in my humble opinion.
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08-11-2014 , 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by sauhund
dafuq...
river shove is totally fine. anything else is so ***** weak. in my humble opinion.
Hmm we don't often disagree! What better hands do you think fold? I don't think AA ever folds getting such good odds. QQ probably calls too. And the only worse hand that might call is AQ.
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08-11-2014 , 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by F_Ivanovic
Hmm we don't often disagree! What better hands do you think fold? I don't think AA ever folds getting such good odds. QQ probably calls too. And the only worse hand that might call is AQ.
i agree better never folds, but we aren´t bluffing if we bet
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08-11-2014 , 11:10 AM
Definitely betting river.
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08-11-2014 , 11:26 AM
Shove, yes
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08-11-2014 , 11:28 AM
villain has AAxx QQxx and AQxx and occasionally AKJT which has checked to induce from missed FD. I think we are value owning ourselves more than getting value
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08-11-2014 , 11:29 AM
J109x also beats us if he played it this way
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08-11-2014 , 11:39 AM
Shove river for sure kid, ivanovic you serious son
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08-11-2014 , 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by sauhund
i agree better never folds, but we aren´t bluffing if we bet
If we shove I don't see us being called by too many worse hands apart from AQ. What other hands you think villain decides to c/c here? I mean we're not going to be bluffing an awful lot given we give villain a great price.

I don't think shoving is that bad because we're only really behind to AA (although it is a large part of villains range) and AA prob just ships anyway a lot. But I think checking back is fine too. I'm just confused now how I can be so wrong in this spot.
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08-11-2014 , 01:14 PM
well, tbf, he did pot preflop utg, pottet flop vs 3 players, pottet turn
maybe not as much a slam dunk valuebet as i thought before, but still, i don´t think he would c/ many hands that beat us. maybe he does since people do weird stuff, but then, he could also call us pretty lightly on the other hand.

after thinking about it, still like betting.
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08-11-2014 , 01:42 PM
no brainer value bet...
for that amount his check calling range is much wider than AA,QQ,AQ...
ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
board: AQ84T
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
JTT779.96% 479,7430
AQ,A8,Q8,KK,AA,QQ,88,44,AT20.04% 120,2570
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08-11-2014 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by guimz
no brainer value bet...
for that amount his check calling range is much wider than AA,QQ,AQ...
ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
board: AQ84T
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
JTT779.96% 479,7430
AQ,A8,Q8,KK,AA,QQ,88,44,AT20.04% 120,2570
There is no way KK might be there, not saying that they would call. Add some straight hands, like J9, JK which he decided to c-c there.
Imo both betting and checking are fine but i would check it back.
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08-12-2014 , 05:50 AM
Have to shove given the odds you are giving him.

Expect him to still jam AA, 9J and QQ anyway
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08-12-2014 , 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by guimz
no brainer value bet...
for that amount his check calling range is much wider than AA,QQ,AQ...
ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
board: AQ84T
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
JTT779.96% 479,7430
AQ,A8,Q8,KK,AA,QQ,88,44,AT20.04% 120,2570
Terrible range above.

He has AAxx results please.
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