Hi,

I'm playing PLO2, I suppose that I'm too nitty, but when I try to open raise preflop at least 3 players call me or even more. At these limits there are many calling stations and loose aggressive players.

That's why I open from EP and MP with really good hands.
From CO and BTN I try to steal some times, but in 85% it will be a multiway pot postflop.
From SB and BB I raise only premium hands and limp some double suited rundowns without/with gaps, bad AA, A+rundowns at least ss, smth like 6788 ss/ds, 2 pairs (7788). I don't want to be OOP postflop in a multiway pot.

I'm loosing a lot from the blinds. Maybe because I'm limping too much from SB and call a lot from BB a steal from BTN and CO?

How I must defend the blinds on these limits?
Should I limp more when playing with calling stations?
Even If I 3 bet here I'm called by trash cards and faced donk bets on the flop.

Here I post my stats for 24k hands. Can you suggest what line I have to take and what mistakes I do? If it's necessary I can add other stats.

Thank you very much!!

Thoughts?

Fairly sure you only 3b AA.
Nitty. Not nessecarly wrong at 2pl.
Open limping too much.


On the blinds, You'd be suprised how wide you can open late vs some players and how insensitive they are to bet sizing. You can look at possibly turning your BTN limping range into a 2.5bb open range and still very similar amount of folds. Just suggestion not concrete.

I'm imagining you're pretty straight forward post flop, fine at this stake. Realize that everyone else is just as nitty as you and you can start finding easy spots to steal pots cheaply.

Hi,

You are winning a lot from both SB and BB - bare in mind that if you folded every single hand from these positions before putting in any more money you would be loosing 100bb/100 from BB and 50bb/100 from the SB.

(I use PT4 not HM so it could be that the stats you shared is showing 'bb won without blind,' but I doubt it and you can check this stat easily enough.)


MDI

I think your stats are very nitty. Playing very tight preflop can be good if you're not confident post but you're taking it to a nitty on the next level.

I'd start by making your BTN range your CO range. And widening your BTN range to 50% of hands at least. You can stay tight in EPs. Try get at least a 20+VPIP

You complete the SB too much.
Never openlimp
You should 3b wider, You don't even have 3% lol, but 5+ is preferable
Agg% of 20 is also much lower than usual, especially for such a tight player. Increase your cbet and raising frequencies I guess

jeeesus open up a little broseph. Experiment with some new hands, especially in position. Remember, even if you happen to 3b QT96ss on the button and you get 4bet you're still like totally flipping or something. I'm not saying you should get in the habit of 3betting QT96ss, I'm just saying you should get in the habit of sometimes doing things similar to that. Plo is supposed to be fun and 3betting the same guy three hands in a row is pretty fun

Yes, you are right about blinds and BTN. I limp on these positions when I see after me OP with 78/10 and they are many. On the BTN if I open raise is ok to be called by these calling stations, but on SB - I will be OOP postflop..

You are totally right! I did the review with the filters in HM and saw that 90% in SB and BB I lost folding. wow that is embarrassing!!

What vpip/pfr for SB do you recommend? If BTN steals around 40-55% and BB is passive enough preflop with what range can I do RR?

Thank you!

Thank you, will try definitely to 3 bet not only with AA I took it as a bad habit! With what range do you suggest 3 bet IP? Yes, also depends on an OP that raises.. But if an OP is a loose one could be good to 3b him with something like rundowns also with gaps, 2pairs, broadways, pair with connectors? What about hands with A, should I fold them to 3b?

Thanks a lot!

Nothing wrong with playing tight when you are learning the game. Once you get a feel for the types of hands that people play and raise as well as what hands do better than others in HU pots, MW pots, you can start to open up your game a bit.

Keep in mind that the best spots to play loose are in late position, as you want the positional advantage in the hand. That doesn't mean never play out of position, just be mindful to the type of players you're doing it against (tight, aggressive, passive, etc)

sb VPIP really depends on your overall gameplan I guess?

But having sb VPIP less than BU is a leak. Get tighter in the SB, complete less (especially if it's folded to you, in this case it would be better to just open in most cases) and widen up your button range a lot. As for reraising hands, I mean, 3b your good hands that flop well and dominate BU steal range.

btw for clarification, when I said widen BU range to +50% I didn't necessarily mean increase your VPIP to 50%+ (although this is also fine), I just meant if it's folded to you then open at least 50% of hands.

Thank you a lot for the answer!

Do you think is it fine to have

Flop CB 53%
Turn CB 41%
River CB 48% ?

Also I have read in some article about defending SB and BB stats. It seems it must be like this

SB fold to BTN steal - 60-70%
BB fold to BTN steal - 10-15%
BB fold to SB steal - 0-5%

Is it right? Should I apply this slyle for micro stakes or there are some adjustments?

They're bit closer to 'normal' but rake is a large consideration in micros

Got it, thank you!

You have to play a lot more agressive preflop. 6% PFR and a 3bet of less than 2% both mean you're not only playing tight, but you're also playing very passively.

Be real careful with just attempting to mimic others playstyles based on empty stats alone. These aren't just pulled from thin air but more a product of the game itself.

True. Defending the blinds depends on many things..

What do you think how often you must call and how often RR from BB a BTN steal, if BTN steals a lot and is ready to call my raise? Or another version of this question - with what range I can RR a loose calling station BTN?

Thank you everybody for the answers!

Want to ask about bet sizing?

I usually open raise x3bb in every position. Should I modify a bet size according to the position? Yes, I 'm speaking about micro limits, imagine that in upper limits the answer is sure. But in these limits I see that if you do x2bb all 6 players will call you, maybe sometimes you can do x2,5bb.

And also about 3 bet size preflop. What is the normal "right" size? Something like 2,6 x last raise is ok?

well "optimal" according to a couple RIO vids would be fold around 30% of bb vs btn steal. Fold around 70% of sb vs btn steal. 3b sb vs btn 10-13%, bb slightly less. You're obviously very far off these numbers which may not be the biggest problem since you play PLO2 right now.


preflop opensizing depends on your gameplan. With your nitty stats I think you'd be best just potting it from every position. Same for your 3bets.

I have a feeling that by 2017 or so, BB folds to BTN steals might rise a little, in a reversal of the trend of gradual loosening up. Because it actually seems somewhat inconsistent on a purely theoretical level. E.g.: the BB should not be able to realize 80%+ of his equity with a hand like J962ss when he's at a positional disadvantage and a range-strength disadvantage. What you'll notice is that if he is, the overall system probably isn't at equilibrium -- the BB is making so much $ in general (because ofc if J962ss does >80%, then good hands are probably at an even higher %) that the BTN is surely making a lot of -EV opens and should tighten up and force the BB's 0EV defends into the red.

As i said, numbers are a function of the game not visa versa, but you know that.

There wasent really a gradual loosening up of BB from what i understand, Alot of people started defending 100% based purely on pot odds alone after watching a few RIO videos then shortly after realized they aren't fkn Durian and were getting molested OOP with their K952r.

Wide button opening works when people are folding blinds. They stop folding blinds, stop stealing them. I dont know how to properly equate the value of position quantitatively but seems pretty straightforward.

There's plenty of spots in micros that players could change and immediately become more profitable but they can't get away from 'tight oop, open %60 btns, 3b '% etc..' dogma.







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