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Old 07-23-2012, 11:28 AM   #1
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50plo 3b pot line check

Only have 120 hands on villain he is - VPIP 35.6 / PFR - 28 / 3b - 13.6 / Agg 4.17 / 50% flop cb

had been playing 30/22 witha F3b of 39 and Fold F CB of 49

What are your thoughts of this flop call with the intention to steal on the turn. I think given his high 3b% hes cbetting this flop pretty light and the half pot bet sizing confirmed it.

on the turn im only ever betting for a fold and folding to any raise and checking back the river if called.

is this too much of a NLH play? as im a recent convert


[converted_hand][hand_history]Prima, $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
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BB: $42.45 (84.9 bb)
MP: $95.22 (190.4 bb)
Hero (CO): $58.37 (116.7 bb)
BTN: $44.76 (89.5 bb)
SB: $51.25 (102.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 3 4 7 6
MP folds, Hero raises to $1.50, BTN calls $1.50, SB raises to $6.50, BB folds, Hero calls $5, BTN folds

Flop: ($15) A 9 2 (2 players)
SB bets $7.50, Hero calls $7.50

Turn: ($30) K (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $16
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Old 07-23-2012, 12:02 PM   #2
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Re: 50plo 3b pot line check

Fold the flop. This is not nlhe
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Old 07-23-2012, 12:13 PM   #3
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Re: 50plo 3b pot line check

You might actually fold Pre the first time around. Flop is super easy fold...
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Old 07-23-2012, 12:22 PM   #4
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Re: 50plo 3b pot line check

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You might actually fold Pre the first time around. Flop is super easy fold...
I sure am not folding pre.
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Old 07-23-2012, 12:30 PM   #5
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Re: 50plo 3b pot line check

I am calling the 3-bet pre, but your postflop play is FPS/hyperspew.
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Old 07-23-2012, 12:32 PM   #6
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Re: 50plo 3b pot line check

I think pre is one of those spots where if you're playing 1-6 tables an open is good but 6+ it becomes a lot closer.
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Old 07-23-2012, 12:47 PM   #7
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Re: 50plo 3b pot line check

fold the flop.. our hand just isn't strong enough against sb's 3betting range for floating the flop (with very little backdoor equity) to be a reliable source of profits

i think your biggest problem in this hand is thinking more about villain's willingness to cbet light than his 3bettings likely strength against our holdings

so in theory floating should allow us to steal from rundowns (we can assume any rundown villain has is higher rank than ours because ours is among the weakest that can see a flop, villains rundown should also have a 9 at least 50% of the time) and pairs that missed if villain gives up the initiative.. if villain does not give up the initiative we are losing money against every card but the 5 and maybe the 8 of clubs

100bb stacks are also not really well suited to floating as pot-size on the turn is such that either player can easily commit, greatly reducing your positional advantage on what was all ready a simple texture
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Old 07-23-2012, 12:59 PM   #8
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Re: 50plo 3b pot line check

I'm folding the flop here. Flatting the flop really isn't an option with only a gutshot. The way you played I am definitely not betting the turn. Check it back and hope for the miracle 5 I think would be best. Unless of course you have some reason to believe when he checks that turn that he will give up on most two pair hands and less.
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Old 07-23-2012, 01:15 PM   #9
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Re: 50plo 3b pot line check

His 3bet is high but the board is really really dry. 50% cbet isn't too high - 70/80% you can start raising or floating pretty wide. His bet was small but it should be between an Ace and air - if you go for a float I'd bet around 20-22 OTT. Just don't go broke if the turn's a club
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Old 07-23-2012, 01:33 PM   #10
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I was playing 3 tables at the time the hand was played. So i was really concentrating.

I flatted the flop solely with the intention of taking it away on the turn. And considered my hand a pure blufff with literally no show down value.
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Old 07-24-2012, 06:59 AM   #11
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Re: 50plo 3b pot line check

What are you repping on flop call and turn weak bet?
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Old 07-24-2012, 09:24 AM   #12
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Re: 50plo 3b pot line check

just cuz his 3b and cb percentages are high does not mean he's weak here, even if he bets small otf. It's a dry board with an Ace in it. I think he has something a lot of the time. Unless you'd seen him play in that pattern before (3b from the blinds, cbet half pot and give up) I'd fold on the flop.

as played I'd prob bet the turn. I'd prob bet a little more, like 21. the half pot bet is NLH'ish. I'd be repping top two and hoping he has a missed rundown.
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Old 07-24-2012, 09:42 AM   #13
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Re: 50plo 3b pot line check

I don't think his small sizing on flop confirms anything but the fact he's aware this is a super dry board and could be thinking ahead in terms of spr (fyi, he's probably playing AAxx the same way on this board as he might get way more calls out of you than potting it. it doesn't really matter to AAxx on this board whether turn spr is ~0.7 or like ~1.2. furthermore i expect him to have a AAxx heavy 3bet range from sb)

long story short, fold flop, anything else is megaspew in the long run.
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