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Old 07-06-2012, 03:57 PM   #1
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50HU: every pear but the highest

venturing into HU...

villian was capable of bluffing rivs when draws completed, usually straight forwardish...his checks meant a lot of weakness, but he did x/c w/ topset once on a 89T board, where i tripped up and he raised the riv strong.

mid match...i havnt been 3betting much, hes been aroudn 20% ish, 3betting some pair and side cards w/o suits, seems to show up w/ pairs a bit.

previous 3b hand (bout 5 hands ago) he half pot cb on a QJThh board w/ 9986r. i flatted AK, turn heart, x/x, riv blank x i bet 1/2pot he snapped.

he hadnt bet the turn and not bet riv, but match was only 50 hands old only happend a few times

hand happend pretty in rhytm....thoughts on all streets?

    Cake Poker, $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 2 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    BB: $68.31 (136.6 bb)
    Hero (SB): $75.11 (150.2 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 2 Q 4 6
    Hero raises to $1.50, BB raises to $4.50, Hero calls $3

    Flop: ($9) 4 2 A (2 players)
    BB bets $4.50, Hero calls $4.50

    Turn: ($18) Q (2 players)
    BB bets $12, Hero calls $12

    River: ($42) 6 (2 players)
    BB bets $24,
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    Old 07-06-2012, 04:49 PM   #2
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    Re: 50HU: every pear but the highest

    Id min that pre

    I jam turn most of the time and as played call river
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    Old 07-06-2012, 05:22 PM   #3
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    Re: 50HU: every pear but the highest

    I fold the river.
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    Old 07-06-2012, 05:24 PM   #4
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    Re: 50HU: every pear but the highest

    about pre...i get that ballers play 100% otb but isn't that hand something you just muck pre?
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    Old 07-06-2012, 06:21 PM   #5
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    Re: 50HU: every pear but the highest

    I don't play HU... and every time I ask something like that, the answer is "it's HU", lol
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    Old 07-06-2012, 06:58 PM   #6
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    Re: 50HU: every pear but the highest

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    about pre...i get that ballers play 100% otb but isn't that hand something you just muck pre?
    Just my 2c. I'm not a fan of opening 100% pre but minraising is acceptable here - it's well adjusted to the stack depth, also there's some fold equity if BB fears our postflop skill, what I don't like is that we called the 3bet - we're in position but without initiative and vs the top 20% of hands, we've binked the best that this super-gapped hand deserved besides occasional trips or straights, and we're still not happy.

    I agree with jamming the turn (repping weak QQ o_O) just because BB is known to barrel busted draws and will put us in a difficult spot on spade rivers.

    We're obliged to call the river because we decided to bluffcatch already ott, if not otf. But these problems come from preflop play imho.
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    Old 07-07-2012, 03:50 AM   #7
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    Re: 50HU: every pear but the highest

    I just fold pre. Non-baller.
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    Old 07-07-2012, 03:50 AM   #8
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    Re: 50HU: every pear but the highest

    Call turn, call river
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    Old 07-07-2012, 05:49 AM   #9
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    Re: 50HU: every pear but the highest

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    I don't play HU... and every time I ask something like that, the answer is "it's HU", lol
    quit looking at the individual hands in isolation, create an overall preflop strat based off of your opponent and find out where q246ss falls in it

    flat turn, call river

    shipping turn lets villain play pretty perfectly, we are a bit too deep also, and since our range in quite draw heavy its going to let us see showdowns for cheaper and more often.
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    Old 07-07-2012, 06:25 AM   #10
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    Re: 50HU: every pear but the highest

    What do you mean it happened in riddem
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    Old 07-07-2012, 07:47 PM   #11
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    Re: 50HU: every pear but the highest

    ya raising the hand and any point wasnt in question imo

    i called thinking every draw missed, all the turned pr and gs were just pairs now, only thign left to do w/ his busted draws would either give up or bluff---

    i know im putting my thoughts in his patten, but on boards like this isnt he more likely to check riv to induce when draws miss w/ his made hands?

    he showed 88t7ss
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    Old 07-07-2012, 09:03 PM   #12
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    Re: 50HU: every pear but the highest

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    quit looking at the individual hands in isolation, create an overall preflop strat based off of your opponent and find out where q246ss falls in it

    flat turn, call river

    shipping turn lets villain play pretty perfectly, we are a bit too deep also, and since our range in quite draw heavy its going to let us see showdowns for cheaper and more often.
    yeah this

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    Old 07-08-2012, 05:34 AM   #13
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    Re: 50HU: every pear but the highest

    ^ Could you please explain what that means.
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    Old 07-08-2012, 02:06 PM   #14
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    Re: 50HU: every pear but the highest

    Hand is wp, have to snap river imo barring stronger reads that this line is a value hand (and if I was able to have this read over this few hands I'd probably just muck flop or turn)

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    ^ Could you please explain what that means.
    basically it means that 3xing this pre isn't clearly good (as in if this hand was dbl suited) or clearly bad (as in if we had 2223 or 227Kr), but really depends on how you and more specifically your opponent have been playing pre (how many hands and what sizings you've been opening in the recent history of the match and how much the other guy is 3betting and defending) and how much of an edge you feel you have on him postflop.
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    Old 07-08-2012, 09:33 PM   #15
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    Re: 50HU: every pear but the highest

    that's not what I meant - I was referring to the direct preflop maths of how bb/vpip should affect preflop open %, in isolation
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