Bovada
5-handed
No reads because I just started this table and this is villains 5th hand.

I'm in the sb w/J J 8 9

UTG limps, fold, fold, I limp, check

Flop: Q T 4
I bet $1.50, BB raises to $4.50, I ???

Pretty common spot and I'm completely lost on how to deal with it. What do we do with 100bb stacks? What about 50bbs?

call

it'll be a little tricky to play on turns/rivers but not to the point of it being -ev i don't think. call 100bb and call 50bb too, you're probably not pushing an equity edge by raising and folding is probably bad. i would also probably raise pre-flop vs. a limper on bovada, this hand is just good enough

I had been wondering about this hand, so I'm glad someone with more experience commented on it. I've got a couple of questions about it, though.

1. Why wouldn't it be good to 4bet with 50bb? Considering BB checked pre he's unlikely to have top set + bigger fd or nfd and nut wrap for example. So, he's got to be weighted more towards bare sets or tp+nfd type hands, which we are in good shape against, and he's probably going to gii with those.

2. What line do we take on turns and rivers when we just call the flop? We're going to be guessing when anything but our nut outs come on the turn, i feel.

This is a spot I have a lot of trouble with, so any help would be much appreciated.

1. after looking at it, i've changed my mind. i'll post what i saw in OR below but to summarize: we have 50% equity against a range that consists of only 3% of his pre-flop range if you give him all hands minus the top 10% of hands (i used this 90% bottom of hands just to demonstrate that if we give him stronger hands it's still not that bad for us) and calling can lead us to some tricky spots OOP on turns. i've overestimated how bad it is for us to run into a TP/MP+NFD type of hand, and this is only 25% of the 3% nutty part of his range that gets to the flop (so less than 1% of the time he gets to the flop).



so even if he raises this tight of a range, it's fine to get in. and we're still 42% or so against these TP>+better FD type of hands that would want to raise the flop.

2. if we did call flop, i would assume checking when we hit most of the time since it's rarely going to be the nuts and our calling range is going to be sort of weak in this spot (given that we didn't 3bet the flop and especially given that we didn't raise pre-flop ourselves, that takes out a lot of strong hands from us too)

100bb i would say definitely call because even if we 3bet the SPR is going to be higher on the turn and we'd be more prone to making mistakes since villain is going to play well + have better hands than us on a lot of different turn cards (better flushes on hearts, still have good made hands on blanks, etc.) and we'd just be punished more for putting in that amount of bb with a worse draw/made hand

Thanks for your response, this_passing. Much appreciated.