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10-01-2016 , 07:52 PM

Smokey_The_Bear

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6 max, online Bovada.

Hero is Button, has $100 and is dealt A

2 limpers to me, Hero limps, SB folds, BB checks, we're 4 to the flop.

(Pot $4)

Flop is Q

Checks around to me, I bet $3.5, we get two callers

(Pot, 13)

Turn is K

BB checks, UTG bets $13with $14 more behind.

So, all lines and streets i'm curious here. I hate betting top two in multiway pots and I hate this turn decision. What are we doing here?

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10-01-2016 , 08:01 PM

PLOt

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Well, just think about it really quick:

When the turn brings the K, there shouldnt be a lot of hands donk leading. Especially not when there is two players to act after UTG, so I think we can narrow his range he down to exactly K5+. He will have some combo draws here if he's just a loose cannon, but donk betting here should signify a hand that is trying to prevent other players from checking back or drawing.

Therefore I think its a pretty easy fold.

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10-01-2016 , 08:02 PM

Smokey_The_Bear

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Agreed, I did indeed fold. More curious on the flop play. are we just bet folding here a large % of the time? I feel like my bets here in multi way pots are never taking it down on the flop, then I just have to give up a huge % of the time on many turns.

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10-01-2016 , 08:28 PM

thegibson

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Originally Posted by Smokey_The_Bear

then I just have to give up a huge % of the time on many turns.

aren't there a lot of good turn cards to barrel? I count 23, Qh,Qc,7c,7s,8-diamonds(exclu. 5d) , 8-hearts ( Qh blocked) , 3 Aces

that's 23/45 - 51%. I barrel all of those, so if that's bad...let me know. lol

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Originally Posted by Smokey_The_Bear

are we just bet folding here a large % of the time?.

I think this is player dependent. vs complete unknown I would probably bet/fold

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10-01-2016 , 08:36 PM

Smokey_The_Bear

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Originally Posted by thegibson

we bet any heart? still a flush draw there. 3 aces we're still betting? K and A are no different here right? how much are we betting then if it's checked to me on this turn? are we committing middle two pair multiway?

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10-01-2016 , 08:46 PM

thegibson

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Originally Posted by Smokey_The_Bear

If a heart comes we pickup 8 outs with NFD.
Ace doesn't complete straight and gives up top 3 pair
A king is different as we don't have one and it doesn't give us any draws. Although now that you mention it, I might check back Kh and Kd as villain is somewhat short and will be able to jam over 1/2 pot bet. (I think, I can't remember his exact stack size)

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10-02-2016 , 12:44 AM

Adebisi

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raise pre bet flop fold turn

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10-02-2016 , 01:46 AM

Controlling

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Originally Posted by Adebisi

raise pre bet flop fold turn

1000% 1000% about turn i am not sure tbh

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10-02-2016 , 11:58 AM

Panaan

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I dont like betting the flop here against so many opponents. There are a lot of turn cards for us that we want to play with a high SPR rather than a low one. If we hit our FD we get aggressive.

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10-02-2016 , 04:31 PM

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Grethe

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Originally Posted by Adebisi

raise pre bet flop fold turn

This

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10-04-2016 , 08:31 AM

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TrueHeart

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just to remind OP as played, you are not being called on flop to get yourself into 3way situation 100% of the time and you are not denied of your equity 100% of the time the rest of uncomfy turns lie on the board. thats why bet flop.

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10-04-2016 , 08:40 AM

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Rei Ayanami

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wtf @ checking the flop

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10-04-2016 , 11:03 AM

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Mt.FishNoob

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I agree with the limp pre, AQT6 would be where i think raise/limp is equal. Gaps and rank of pairs are of paramount importance preflop, positional advantage i don't think you can argue theres much difference between the limped pot or the raised pot. It's down to style generally, and dare i say it how you are running/your bankroll. Raising is just higher variance but doesn't have more edge int erms of gradient.

Flop sizing is interesting, are people bet/folding this in general facing a check shove?

Turn range is weird but the guy has probably either picked up Kings up or the spade draw... I can find a shove on river as its pretty 50:50 looking.

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10-04-2016 , 11:32 AM

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sauhund

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The goat is baaaaack

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10-04-2016 , 01:59 PM

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AVO

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I don't think raising pre is a good option here. I'd call too.

Bet on this flop is fine, the board is pretty dry and light. Everyone's checked, you have an easy bet. On the turn looks very weird. And I'd fold without any info on the opponent.

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10-04-2016 , 02:18 PM

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Grethe

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Originally Posted by sauhund

The goat is baaaaack

It took a while, but at least he got everything wrong

Those tricky top 8% hands and top2 on Q75r... Hard to win these days!

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