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12-05-2016 , 07:44 PM
villain unknown

    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    SB: $10 (100 bb)
    BB: $5.24 (52.4 bb)
    UTG: $24.02 (240.2 bb)
    Hero (MP): $20.84 (208.4 bb)
    CO: $55.07 (550.7 bb)
    BTN: $14.66 (146.6 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with A Q A 2
    UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, SB raises to $1, BB folds, Hero raises to $3.10, SB calls $2.10

    Flop: ($6.30) 6 T T (2 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks

    Turn: ($6.30) 6 (2 players)
    SB bets $3.01, Hero ?


    I thought about potting on the flop especially because I need some protection from various str8 draws but in the end felt like I can benefit more by letting him improve to 2nd best hands, especially lower spade draws or just go for a bluff even though my hand looks like what it is a lot. It's also just a board a 4betting range doesn't hit too well so he can probably put a lot of pressure on if I cbet too much.
    Do we just jam the turn now? What would you do if we had sth like 3x pot left?
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    12-05-2016 , 08:11 PM
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    12-05-2016 , 08:27 PM
    Bet $2 on the flop.
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    12-05-2016 , 09:09 PM
    The notion of protecting against straight draws isn't sound, given your hand, and the SPR is 1 so all concerns of "your hand looking like what it is" or "him being able to put pressure on you if you c-bet" or "4-betting ranges not hitting often" are moot. Either jamming or betting small is fine.
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    12-06-2016 , 05:25 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Rei Ayanami
    The notion of protecting against straight draws isn't sound, given your hand, and the SPR is 1 so all concerns of "your hand looking like what it is" or "him being able to put pressure on you if you c-bet" or "4-betting ranges not hitting often" are moot. Either jamming or betting small is fine.
    I mean, possible that we're still too shallow for these concerns to matter. I just thought we don't have a super profitable spot where he's likely to make mistakes if we just b/go with it given that he will flop a T ~30% of the time and otherwise just has very few hands to call off a shove with given my blockers.
    So to me it doesn't seem like we have to be much deeper unless b/c all of my overpairs becomes unprofitable and my points start to matter?!
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    12-06-2016 , 07:29 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by banshee
    I mean, possible that we're still too shallow for these concerns to matter. I just thought we don't have a super profitable spot where he's likely to make mistakes if we just b/go with it given that he will flop a T ~30% of the time and otherwise just has very few hands to call off a shove with given my blockers.
    So to me it doesn't seem like we have to be much deeper unless b/c all of my overpairs becomes unprofitable and my points start to matter?!
    How do you get that number? I only get 20-22%, depending on preflop range.

    As for the hand I think you are outranging your opponent too much not to cbet these flops 100%. And obv never fold an overpair
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    12-06-2016 , 08:02 AM
    I like potting flop here. It's probably not optimal (might be better to bet smaller), but I feel like I'm just like "YEA BITCH I HAVE ACES YOU KNOW I HAVE ACES AND STILL YOU CAN'T DO **** ABOUT IT HAAAAH!"

    and if you don't have the spade draw with your aces here you're probably potting, so pot with it too maybe unless you actually have a non AA /premium KK 4b range here that you want to balance or something
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    12-06-2016 , 09:26 AM
    Pot flop, next hand.
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    12-06-2016 , 09:26 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Oink
    How do you get that number? I only get 20-22%, depending on preflop range.
    I just divided hand counts: ($3b4o:T) / $3b4o on this board and with my blockers in PPT.
    I even forgot to exlude AA from his range which increases the relative frequency of him having a T even more. Not sure if this range is appropriate but I don't think an unknown NL10 dude 3bets much wider than this.
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    12-06-2016 , 12:25 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by banshee
    I just divided hand counts: ($3b4o:T) / $3b4o on this board and with my blockers in PPT.
    I even forgot to exlude AA from his range which increases the relative frequency of him having a T even more. Not sure if this range is appropriate but I don't think an unknown NL10 dude 3bets much wider than this.
    Ok thx. Im assuming those are PJ ranges
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    12-07-2016 , 09:57 AM
    Jamming flop is certainly fine and a +EV play, a safe line to take here and probably what I'd always do against an unknown. Betting small or checking are valid lines with merits, but against an unknown it's probably too tricky and you'll end up making bad assumptions and mistakes in future streets.

    As played, u r in a very tough spot now and have to make some assumptions.

    His bet size makes sense if he has a strong hand (a ten with overcards or better).

    I'd say most people just jam here with a 6, given that most of his trips 6's are weak and may be scared to see a river.
    This may also be a bluff or a bad bet with Kings with a flush draw given this is PLO10.

    I think he has enough weak hands here with this betsize and I'd still be shoving, not very happy tho.
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    12-07-2016 , 11:16 AM
    I hate the check on the flop, as played would call the turn and plan on checking back a lot of rivers if villain doesn't bet
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    12-07-2016 , 09:05 PM
    7 out of 10 doctors agree that the most effective way to lose money in poker is to build up big pots and give up on them.
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    12-07-2016 , 09:06 PM
    I mean, once we 4b does flop texture even matter when the SPR ~1??

    Last edited by gotwoot; 12-07-2016 at 09:31 PM.
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    12-07-2016 , 11:11 PM
    pot is too big to get cute just put it in
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