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To 4-bet Or Just Flat From BB To 4-bet Or Just Flat From BB

02-19-2017 , 06:22 PM
Hi all...

Been playing at these stakes for a while and it never ceases to amaze me the strategy these guys play.

Anyway, UTG limps into the pot and MP raises (I'm guessing to isolate UTG and hope to play the pot HU.) SB reraises and puts me in an odd spot with 9 2A A. Should I have reraised again?



    WPN, $0.02/$0.05 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37642701

    UTG: $36.52 (730.4 bb)
    MP: $5 (100 bb)
    CO: $12.77 (255.4 bb)
    BTN: $16.99 (339.8 bb)
    SB: $5 (100 bb)
    Hero (BB): $7.74 (154.8 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 9 2 A A
    UTG calls $0.05, MP raises to $0.22, CO calls $0.22, BTN folds, SB raises to $0.60, Hero calls $0.55, UTG calls $0.55, MP calls $0.38, CO calls $0.38

    Flop: ($3) 8 9 9 (5 players)
    SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, MP bets $0.65, CO calls $0.65, SB folds, Hero raises to $5.45, UTG calls $5.45, 2 folds

    Turn: ($15.20) 4 (2 players)
    Hero bets $1.69 and is all-in, UTG calls $1.69

    River: ($18.58) J (2 players, 1 is all-in)




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    Another question I have is from looking at the hand afterwards, why didn't UTG just raise preflop? Even though the hand isn't premium it wasn't complete trash either.
    To 4-bet Or Just Flat From BB Quote
    02-19-2017 , 08:02 PM
    If you cant get more than 50% of your stack in OOP then it is always advisable to flat and see a flop. In this case you can get probably 30-40% of your stack in so calling is fine. What you need to be aware of here is that your letting more people in so your postfop play has to be spot on.



    UTG has a poor hand with very little nut draws. If he wants to play these hands OOP then tt is good for you.

    Regarding your flop play, you need to make sure you are ahead here before you check raise. 98/88 crushes you and will get it in. Any other 9 with 3 live side cards has good equity against you. You're actually behind to villain equity wise on the flop. Your 2 and locked up AA actually are quite siginificant here as he has 17 live cards on the flop.

    ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
    820 trials (Exhaustive)
    board: 998
    Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
    AHAC9C2C40.00% 3280
    9HTSKH7H60.00% 4920
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    02-19-2017 , 08:57 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lucaspawpaw16
    If you cant get more than 50% of your stack in OOP then it is always advisable to flat and see a flop.
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    02-19-2017 , 10:09 PM
    That's what I notice the most about these stakes is that villains will limp into pots with meager holdings, get raised, call the raise and SMASH the flop. It's like they're being rewarded for piss poor hand selection and bragging that is a profitable strategy.
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    02-19-2017 , 11:07 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lucaspawpaw16
    If you cant get more than 50% of your stack in OOP then it is always advisable to flat and see a flop. In this case you can get probably 30-40% of your stack in so calling is fine. What you need to be aware of here is that your letting more people in so your post flop play has to be spot on.
    With a hand like this, how spot on would my hand need to be post flop? At these stakes once players see a flop, things turn into a free for all!
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    02-20-2017 , 01:03 AM
    I'd raise preflop, sb and mp being able to reopen the bidding is quite important and makes the deep stacks behind hero much less threatening

    Last edited by monikrazy; 02-20-2017 at 01:09 AM.
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    02-20-2017 , 01:41 AM
    4b pre. You'll get 1/3 of your stack in and likely diminish the number of players to the flop by doing so. By calling, there aren't many great flops that will allow you to continue, particularly 4 way, and you'll effectively be set mining.
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    02-20-2017 , 02:50 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by AveeMaria
    4b pre. You'll get 1/3 of your stack in and likely diminish the number of players to the flop by doing so. By calling, there aren't many great flops that will allow you to continue, particularly 4 way, and you'll effectively be set mining.
    That's the thing about these stakes, folding before the flop once someone 4-bets is a foreign concept to most of these players. It just looks like I was going to be set mining regardless on this one.
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    02-20-2017 , 09:03 AM
    Isn't a pot sized 4bet her around like 2.40? Which would make the pot 3,54
    If the three better calls then you can shove all inn on the flop right? (Assuming you just get one caller)
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