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02-06-2016 , 01:50 PM

Mindead

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How reasonable is to only 3bet hands we can hapilly call a 4bet with?

I have been reading some Jeff Hwang books, and he seems to recommend this strategy. Personally, I hate to 3bet/fold with hands I know could have a lot of potential seeing the flop (I think it even makes me tilt lol), especially in plo25 where I play with so many recreational players that make so many huge mistakes postflop.

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02-06-2016 , 02:02 PM

Rei Ayanami

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Very unreasonable. How your hand does against a 4-bet is just one factor in the decision to 3-bet or not.

There's a whole lot of nonsense a strict policy of "only 3-bet hands you can happily call a 4-bet with" can lead to.

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02-06-2016 , 03:48 PM

NMcNasty

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Its terrible. There are plenty of fish and bad regs that open way too wide (so you should 3bet a lot) but basically only 4bet AA (so you should fold to 4bet or at least unhappily call).

If you nit up your 3bet range you're just missing tons of value.

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02-07-2016 , 01:46 AM

Rei Ayanami

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Yeah imagine deciding that your adjustment against one of those players will be to stop 3-betting Axyz or non-AA pairs unless they are the highest of the high-tier -- and to start 3-betting more weaker rundowns and non-A ds stuff, which are more comfortable calling a 4-bet against AA. It's just backwards poker, really.

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02-07-2016 , 02:42 AM

Mindead

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These was my doubts, just wanted to know how big was going to be our EV loses. And by how you talk it seems huge. Thanks !

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02-07-2016 , 06:22 AM

Controlling

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Originally Posted by Mindead

Personally, I hate to 3bet/fold with hands I know could have a lot of potential seeing the flop...

If you know there is no reason to fold.

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02-07-2016 , 09:28 AM

Speedy17

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If you know people only 4 bet aces isnt it worth making the call (if deep enough) since their hand is basically face up?

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02-07-2016 , 10:23 AM

Mindead

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Originally Posted by Controlling

If you know there is no reason to fold.

Yes there are, there are mathematical reasons to fold some hands against a 4bet from a heavy AAXX range, hands wich you would love to see a flop and could do it profitably if it was singled raised or 3bet pot.

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02-07-2016 , 10:26 AM

Mindead

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Originally Posted by Speedy17

If you know people only 4 bet aces isnt it worth making the call (if deep enough) since their hand is basically face up?

It is not enough to know villain 4bet only aces to justify a call with any hand, usually when the pot runs big preflop with regard to the money left on stacks to play postflop, it becomes a more mathematical thing.

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02-08-2016 , 01:39 PM

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MadDogMoody

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That book is quite out of date, obviously focus on hands with good equity distribution and not low pp's which often perform terribly against 4-bets.

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