fold pre the first time, as played call the 3bet and jam flop

Please don't take this the wrong way, as I am only trying to discuss the merit of the hand, and not arguing about who's right or wrong. But it seems to me that you are saying because we've made a mistake in calling preflop, we should now compound the original mistake by getting our stacks in here.

I can see some logic in making a variation on standard play if we have reads on our opponents, but as we have none, shouldn't we follow the standard until we do have reads?

So preflop, 2233 is trash. Yes, we have position, but with such weak hand a fold is normally the play. If we really want to play, we ought to make use of our good position to play post flop. So 3-betting with 2233 is probably not a good idea, as if its checked to us on the flop, we still have no idea what they might have, and our hand is unlikely to improve much even if we take the free-card, so I don't see the merit of a 3 bet.

If we flat, the betting isn't closed, and we might get raised again, so ok, we call that as well. Now we are playing in a very bloated pot 3 ways, with a trsah hands that is likely to be second best if we hit and get a lot action. But we have position. However, good position doesn't mean that our trash will be magically transformed into the nuts. It is for gathering of information before we act, so we can make better decisions. That information is of no use if we choose to ignore it. The action so far suggest that both players in front like the flop a lot, but nevertheless we should still go full-steam ahead with bottom set no draw because we made a mistake preflop? That just doesn't make much sense to me.

Standard play suggest that a player re-raising out of the blinds usually have good aces, and for BB to call with the betting still open, he has to have either two pairs, pair with two connect cards, or rundowns. Now on a dryish ace high flop, we get strong action in front. Yes, if we have information about SB's tendencies, we can widen his range to include a lot of non AA hands, but we don't have that information. Also, even with only 50BBs, BB seem to like the hand a lot, and 66xx must be part of the range here. Given this, surely we should forget about our earlier mistake, and just fold to the strong action?

As I said, if we have reads on our opponents, we might be able to play it differently, but with no reads, we ought to play it bog standard and muck preflop, and if having misclicked preflop, given the action now, muck on the flop.

It gives me a headache when u write so much about theory and CLEARLY understand so little...

If u play this hand any diffrent way than call pf and get it in on the flop ure obv a HUGE donk... And plz dont reply with a long answer!

Discussing pre-flop is a different discussion, and there can be valid arguments for each play depending on the information known and Villain's tendancies.

Getting it in here isn't a mistake. It's a standard easy shove. Folding here does make the pre call terribad (I mean if we're set mining, but folding when we hit sets, i can't comprehend what we are doing, what do you want, 237?). As discussed already, any competent villain's range here is wider than AA, and any competent player is b/c ok axxx. Spazz's/fish likewise, but probably with actually bluffs in their range to. Tight players of course will show up AAxx quite alot, but will have Ax in their range too.

BB's range we crush. You'd have to be a recovering domestic abuse victim to believe otherwise.

You can fold here if you want, but in doing so, you're ridiculous exploitable and i imagine someone who gets barrelled of alot of hands.

You have reading comprehension problems...

We have no read....so what's this about villian's tendencies etc?

But whatever, I am done. You and the other guy keep getting it in with bottom set no draw against two players. I am fine with that, its not my money. Good-bye and thanks for all the fish.

So you take the holy than thou argument of basically "I'll wait until i have the nuts AND a re-draw".

The reason you're done is because your wrong. It's not my fault if you play like Rihanna after a beating.

at 1/2 and above this flop is the nuts and i get it in as quickly as possible since people have a way wider 3bet range in general.

It depends a lot on the players involved and the stakes...
I play micros where that's a clear fold pf or on the flop given that action (unless villains are aggro fishes with ridiculous stats). Probably on higher stakes the play may be different

Ok, we will do that, this is this month graph of my 6max PLO.. 5/10 - 50/100








GL at the playmoney tbls

lol

I can piss further than you. Well done!

If you want to read that into my post, fine. What I will not do is push trash hands against unknowns.

You keep on playing like a Durr on speed.

This thread has gone downhill fast.

I don't like the preflop play despite posting a recent hand that was similar. but I agree with J17ster, if you play this hand to set mine and you hit your set I guess you have to go with it. BUT...BUT...given the action in front of you and how dry the board is, you could be crushed. But isn't that the risk you take when playing this pre?

If you don't want to risk it, it should be an easy fold pre so you don't have to make these types of decisions.

Readless...I'd fold pre. Hand can be dominated so often and you really want to get it in on turns when you've been able to evaluate the hand strength of villains and the turn bricks.

With reads it's a playable hand, imo.

Playing you must be like throwing little boys down the well. Easy and efficient. This hand trash?

You're an idiot. We'll keep playing "like durr on speed" and make money. You, you go and eat some sasuage rolls.

They're talking about at their stakes. Muuuuch more aggro game, a lot more bluffing, therefore people getting it in a tonne lighter. And the same goes for pre, 3betting double peared hands is cool cause sets have so much value cause people bluff/get it in lighter a lot more.

If this happened at 10plo vs standard players this is AA ALWAYS.