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03-30-2016 , 05:14 PM
PokerStars - $0.02 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 122 BB (VPIP: 22.92, PFR: 18.75, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 50)
SB: 76.5 BB (VPIP: 29.59, PFR: 9.76, 3Bet Preflop: 1.38, Hands: 539)
BB: 137 BB (VPIP: 26.51, PFR: 19.28, 3Bet Preflop: 3.85, Hands: 169)
Hero (UTG): 129 BB
MP: 72 BB (VPIP: 26.09, PFR: 8.70, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
CO: 206.5 BB (VPIP: 43.75, PFR: 6.25, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 16)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 6 J J 6

Hero raises to 3.5 BB, fold, CO calls 3.5 BB, BTN raises to 15.5 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 12 BB, CO calls 12 BB

Flop: (48 BB, 3 players) 2 5 T
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN checks

Turn: (48 BB, 3 players) Q
Hero checks, CO bets 1 BB

On the turn in a 3-bet pot here I am really not too sure what to do.
With being in EP I imagine a donk would allow the sandwiched player to flat with all flushes and 2p/trips so I am not sure how i'd feel about being overly exploited on the river by him if he chose to turn a T river in to a bluff on the river for example with a low flush.

Do you guys prefer to lead here? If checked, do you flat the min bet/raise for value?

I'm also curious if you prefer to limp call this UTG or whether raise calling is just as effective? I imagine we're not too bothered about a high-medium spr, just 4-bet spots where we have a clear fold? In a HU pot do you lay this down?
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03-30-2016 , 05:32 PM
Lead turn around half/pot and check/decide river if called. As played, raise turn to around half pot. There's plenty of value at these stakes. Random 2pair, lesser flushes, and sets will all call more often than not and you'll surely get some value from stubborn bare AA or even worse.
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03-30-2016 , 11:45 PM
Ya, I like raising turn. you wont get a call from two pair on the river when they brick, but you will likely get some loose 2pr straight draws to see another card.
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03-31-2016 , 01:45 AM
Check call and lead blank rivers is also ok imo.
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03-31-2016 , 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by derjan
Check call and lead blank rivers is also ok imo.
vs a min bet though, are you raising?
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03-31-2016 , 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by MadDogMoody
vs a min bet though, are you raising?
Some villains minbet with the nuts (don't know why lol) so vs unknown I'm pbb not raising. We are dead if he has it and he has max around 22% equity if he has a set so I'd rather play pot control on the turn and then lead out a non paired river. He has to have a lot of guts to shove his bluff over our bet so playing bet fold on the river seems the right play to me.
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04-01-2016 , 06:33 AM
Its a close one for me. If I had the 2nd nut flush here Id bet twice for value. If I had the 4th nut flush Id prolly bluff catch.

Obv it also depends on the villains. Against passive opponenets Id obv be more inclined to vbet. Against more stabby/bluffy opponents inducing obv increases in value.

I dunno how the PLO2z pool plays, but Id imagine its passive, so Id just vbet turn and river in this spot.
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04-01-2016 , 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Oink
I dunno how the PLO2z pool plays, but Id imagine its passive, so Id just vbet turn and river in this spot.
At PLO2 Zoom you get villains with extreme tendencies. Some are calling flops and turns with almost any draw. Some are supernits playing 7/3 or 4/0 (seriously!). You get a lot less pay off wizards than you might expect. Overall the player pool is probably more passive than higher stakes. You obviously get some people just clicking buttons.

These min-bets tend to mean one of the following things:
1. Trying to get a cheap card.
2. Some crappy made hand that can't stand a proper bet.
3. A strong made hand but villain hasn't found the bet slider yet. Sometimes they do this on the flop and turn and then discover on the river that you can increase your bet-sizing, and you get a 2bb bet.
4. A fish bluff.

If I've got anything to semi-bluff with I usually just raise and they usually fold. I always make a note so that I know next time around.

If BTN calls I'd raise. If BTN raises I'd call the turn (and not feel great about it, especially if the bet is getting towards pot) and evaluate on the river. If BTN folds I'd call the turn and lead the river on any brick.

Or we could min-raise the turn like a fish
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04-02-2016 , 08:01 AM
I always open raise this hand first in but I do think limp call could be a reasonable approach as well. If c/o had bet 20 bb here I would advocate c/c twice. As it is I am in favour of half pot check raise, but you should be close to 100% here.
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04-02-2016 , 09:26 AM
Cheers for the replies, I do feel like I made a mistake on the turn drafting 1bb. The responses were real helpful.
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