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07-26-2012, 09:00 PM
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Big Double-Daddy
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3,5k Milestone: Starting Hand Chart for 6max
Every now and then, there's questions about playable pre-flop ranges in the beginners' thread. As with all things in poker, the correct way to answer is "it depends". Despite that notion, I decided to give the noobs something to go on. The following chart mostly applies to opening, flatting or defending pre-flop in a vacuum - and since there's no such thing as a vacuum you can treat it as "average". It does not address 3betting.
You have to treat this range as imperfect, as it completely disregards table dynamics, stakes and other reads. If someone strongly disagrees with some part of it, I'm willing to alter it accordingly if so convinced.
BLINDS/UTG/MP:
AA/KKxx
QQxxds
AKQQ-QQJ8ss
AKJJ-JJT7ds/ss
AsJJx
QJTT-TT98ds/ss
AKQJ-T987ds/ss
AKQT-JT97ds/ss
AsKQx-AsJTx
BBBxds
medium connectors + NFD
AsT98-876
good doublepairs ~QQ22-8877
CO, add:
QQ/JJxx
TT97-76ds/ss
KQ99-9965ds/ss
QJ88-8876ds/ss
JT77-7765ds/ss
AsTTx-77x
9876-6543ds/ss
T986-7653ds/ss
T876-8654ds/ss
decent danglers:
AKQx-JT9xds/ss
low connectors + NFD
A765-543
decent doublegappers
KT97ds/ss-8753ds/ss
high ds multigappers
AT76ds-QT86ds
decent suited aces
AsQ98-AsT76
all doublepaired hands
BTN, add:
all* suited As (all but the worst, like As222)
random multigappers like QT86ss, 7642ds/ss
CLIFFS:
-nitty from blinds/EP
-open up from CO
-speculate from BTN
Now it's up to you to apply this average range to the table dynamics in the hand you're about to play. Nutty hands with poor floppability play better multiways and single-raised (or even limped), while non-nutty but well-flopping prefer HU and 3betting. Against tight players you gotto let the bottom of your range go, while reckless speculation can be justified vs a whale in some situations.
Have fun mixing it up!
Last edited by GoGetaRealJob; 07-29-2012 at 04:18 PM.
Reason: revision
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07-26-2012, 09:10 PM
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grinder
Join Date: May 2012
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Re: 3,5k Milestone: Starting Hand Chart for 6max
First! Thanks GGARJ, I've always wanted one of these! Gonna print it out and stick it to my monitor
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07-26-2012, 09:51 PM
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banned
Join Date: Mar 2012
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Re: 3,5k Milestone: Starting Hand Chart for 6max
So MP your not opening 9876DS?
Thx btw. This is awesome
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07-26-2012, 10:35 PM
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veteran
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Re: 3,5k Milestone: Starting Hand Chart for 6max
I made this one a couple of months ago if you remember the thread we made about it; I think it's a less evolved and nittier version of the one you made:
http://www.pokervip.com/strategy/pot...ng-hand-chart/
Keep in mind that nowadays I don't use any chart, I treat every preflop decision as different, I open up when there are fish in the blinds and nits IP, tighten up and start limping in EP with aggro regs in LP; so on so forth. Think the two hand charts are a good start to give a newbie an idea of what's playable though
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07-27-2012, 04:56 AM
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grinder
Join Date: Nov 2007
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Re: 3,5k Milestone: Starting Hand Chart for 6max
nice chart mate.
question: how do you feel about ****ty double pairs in EP . 3355ss or 6622ds?
also: nice chart yrmom. was meaning to ask, do you have any vids woth pokervip?
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07-27-2012, 05:32 AM
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Big Double-Daddy
Join Date: Aug 2009
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Re: 3,5k Milestone: Starting Hand Chart for 6max
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Originally Posted by Pea-El-Oh
So MP your not opening 9876DS?
Thx btw. This is awesome
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Well, I am, but I didn't wanna include it in this one, just about borderline. Def one to consider adding at least ds.
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Originally Posted by yrmom
I made this one a couple of months ago if you remember the thread we made about it; I think it's a less evolved and nittier version of the one you made:
http://www.pokervip.com/strategy/pot...ng-hand-chart/
Keep in mind that nowadays I don't use any chart, I treat every preflop decision as different, I open up when there are fish in the blinds and nits IP, tighten up and start limping in EP with aggro regs in LP; so on so forth. Think the two hand charts are a good start to give a newbie an idea of what's playable though
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Sorry, I'd totally forgotten about that, late into the pregnancy back then. Well, I guess there's some value in having two for comparison. Not drastically different anyways.
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Originally Posted by steamingdonk
nice chart mate.
question: how do you feel about ****ty double pairs in EP . 3355ss or 6622ds?
also: nice chart yrmom. was meaning to ask, do you have any vids woth pokervip?
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I often open those EP, but I don't think it's a good starting point.
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07-27-2012, 07:34 AM
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self-banned
Join Date: Apr 2011
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Re: 3,5k Milestone: Starting Hand Chart for 6max
Oops, I had a deja vu moment reading the OP (in the first 5 minutes of its life) and realised only now that I had seen that PokerVIP chart.
It's a shame they hide authorship of articles. I didn't suspect that it was written by yrmom as it's too tight for him and has links to ash05's vids only.
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Originally Posted by steamingdonk
question: how do you feel about ****ty double pairs in EP . 3355ss or 6622ds?
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+1. I don't think that even QQ22 is playable from EP - the deuces have little set value. So I'd exclude a lot of double-paired hands, a big chunk of bad KK/QQ/JJ, add some deceptive low hands. Also, I think there's too little difference between ss and ds hands in GGaRJ's chart, some ss hands (like connected one-pair, broadways with danglers etc.) should be excluded.
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Originally Posted by steamingdonk
also: nice chart yrmom. was meaning to ask, do you have any vids woth pokervip?
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Inb4 self-advertising: yrmom's (Matt Ranger's) vids are funny as they contain specific ego-inspired humour, show a creative approach to PLO, and a big chunk of examples are like 'lol it was a misclick because I was 7-tabling'  , but at least he has integrity to admit his mistakes not every coach has.
As far as PokerVIP goes in general, I'm in love with ash05 (Ashley Lapiz) due to clarity of presentation, also check out SGT RJ's (Nicole Rejiester's) psychology series.
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Originally Posted by GoGetaRealJob
late into the pregnancy back then
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GGaRJ is speaking as if he was pregnant, not his wife  .
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07-27-2012, 07:54 AM
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adept
Join Date: Dec 2009
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Re: 3,5k Milestone: Starting Hand Chart for 6max
Why do people do this?... now some random regs would have a decent openening range. Nice job man... makes serious sence
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07-27-2012, 07:58 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: Apr 2007
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Re: 3,5k Milestone: Starting Hand Chart for 6max
I hope you make your Augustgoal as early as you made your July goal! wp
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07-27-2012, 08:00 AM
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old hand
Join Date: Jul 2007
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Re: 3,5k Milestone: Starting Hand Chart for 6max
I open waaaaay lighter from the btn
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07-27-2012, 08:20 AM
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nice piano there
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Re: 3,5k Milestone: Starting Hand Chart for 6max
GJ GGARJ
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07-27-2012, 08:39 AM
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Big Double-Daddy
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Re: 3,5k Milestone: Starting Hand Chart for 6max
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Originally Posted by JustAmazing777
Why do people do this?... now some random regs would have a decent openening range. Nice job man... makes serious sence 
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This chart will help learning playable ranges, it's not useful if ur not willing to adjust it as needed.
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Originally Posted by roggles
I open waaaaay lighter from the btn
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And ur undoubtedly correct to do so, sir
Stealing can obv be done with any four vs nitty blinds, but this chart also includes flatting raises.
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07-27-2012, 08:57 AM
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Carpal \'Tunnel
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Re: 3,5k Milestone: Starting Hand Chart for 6max
Is QQ78ds stronger than QQJTds?
By stronger, I mean does it make more money.
BTW these starting hand charts are pretty useless in plo, they are so unstatic depending on situation it is ridiculous. If someone does not know about plo starting hands then they need ot read a book and learn the 'why' theory behind it.
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07-27-2012, 09:05 AM
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grinder
Join Date: Jun 2012
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Re: 3,5k Milestone: Starting Hand Chart for 6max
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Originally Posted by roggles
I open waaaaay lighter from the btn
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yeah btn obvious the most "it depends" position with the most room for adjustments. nothing better than nits in the blinds that do not realise you opened every btn when folded to you.
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07-27-2012, 09:39 AM
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Big Double-Daddy
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Re: 3,5k Milestone: Starting Hand Chart for 6max
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Originally Posted by Mt.FishNoob
Is QQ78ds stronger than QQJTds?
By stronger, I mean does it make more money.
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No and no. QQJT has a better chance of dominating other draws.
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BTW these starting hand charts are pretty useless in plo, they are so unstatic depending on situation it is ridiculous. If someone does not know about plo starting hands then they need ot read a book and learn the 'why' theory behind it.
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I agree, and have made this point ITT and elsewhere. That said, if someone wants to start grinding microstakes w/o a ton of preparation and learn by doing, a tool like this one is helpful.
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