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2nd nut flush draw 4way 2nd nut flush draw 4way

06-25-2017 , 05:50 PM
BTN 62/10 over 20 hands

BB 45/24/3b 14 over 100 hands

CO 24/18 over 30 hands

    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10, $0.02 ante Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    Hero (SB): $12.25 (122.5 bb)
    BB: $10 (100 bb)
    MP: $10 (100 bb)
    CO: $9.29 (92.9 bb)
    BTN: $16.53 (165.3 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 5 2 A K
    MP folds, CO raises to $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, Hero calls $0.25, BB calls $0.20

    Flop: ($1.30) Q 8 T (4 players)
    Hero checks, BB checks, CO checks, BTN bets $1.24, Hero calls $1.24, BB calls $1.24, CO calls $1.24

    Turn: ($6.26) 6 (4 players)
    Hero checks, BB checks, CO checks, BTN bets $5.99, Hero ?


    Seems like a pretty disgusting spot. I catch one of my nut turns but facing a pot size bet with two more players left to act, it doesn't feel great at all. I think BTN is hardly ever bluffing or vbetting worse with the Qc, Tc being blocked by the board and with 4 players seeing flop & turn it's just very likely someone holds the nutflush. Does it therefore even make sense to just fold the flop because I'm basically just drawing to 3 nut outs and 9 others where I'll either lose a big pot vs the nuts or pretty much don't get much action?
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    06-25-2017 , 07:27 PM
    Passive guy donks pot on flush card = flush 100% of the time. Only question is, does he think any flush is the nuts, or just the nut flush? My experience is they are passive without the nut nut and only sprout to life when they have a strong strong range, so Id probably just cry fold this. Vs. a regular Im more inclined to call down and take a note because they use blockers to bluff sometimes.
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    06-25-2017 , 09:20 PM
    BTN didn't donk the turn, he took the lead on the flop...

    Looks like your PLO posting is just as lol as your BFI posting.

    Anyway OP you should be squeezing pre here close to 100% of the time with a CO open and loose button flat. This makes your life a lot easier as you can just jam this flop.

    As played this is why flat calling in the SB sucks. With 3 other callers on the flop I guess you can puke/fold, very possible someone else has the nuts even if the button doesn't.
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    06-25-2017 , 09:37 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by TheMVP
    BTN didn't donk the turn, he took the lead on the flop...

    Looks like your PLO posting is just as lol as your BFI posting.

    Anyway OP you should be squeezing pre here close to 100% of the time with a CO open and loose button flat. This makes your life a lot easier as you can just jam this flop.

    As played this is why flat calling in the SB sucks. With 3 other callers on the flop I guess you can puke/fold, very possible someone else has the nuts even if the button doesn't.
    So you agree with me but I'm an idiot as well. About the same substance as your BFI posts.
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    06-26-2017 , 05:56 PM
    Just fold flop
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    06-27-2017 , 12:52 PM
    If you check-raise the flop you can thin the field on the flop and represent a strong hand on any turn card that represents a straigh or a flush or if the board pairs a full house.

    Then bet the turn with the intention of folding to a bet.

    If he is loose player he should have a lot of weak hands in his BTN range that gives him two pair, straight draws, sets and flush draws that jusitifes a bet in positon on flop and a c-bet on turn after checked to.

    Betting on turn after 3 people checks to him dosen't mean nut flush 100% of the time.

    So check-folding or check-raising flop are the options here I think and check-calling is a misstake.
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