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10-16-2015 , 06:27 AM
Poker Stars $25.00 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 5 players -

SB: $38.49
BB: $48.59
Hero (UTG): $25.00
CO: $23.58
BTN: $19.65

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG with 4 K K T
Hero raises to $0.85, CO calls $0.85, 3 folds

Flop: ($2.05) T Q 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.50, CO calls $1.50

Turn: ($5.05) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $4.75, CO calls $4.75

River: ($14.55) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $13.93, Hero ???

No solid reads on villain but he is 81/15 with a 1.2 aggression factor and seems to call a lot with a wide range. I feel like I put myself in a tough spot by betting on the turn. Should we have checked instead?

And on the river, as played what would you do?

Should we have made a blocking bet instead?
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10-16-2015 , 08:46 AM
EDIT: Nevermind I'm on my phone, thought you had a flush!
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10-16-2015 , 09:09 AM
Do you know how villain usually plays his flush draws in Position?
Have seen this situation several times, sometimes calling it because knowing villain has a flush draw, and he shows me flush draw + runner runner straight... looks like one of those. would be a reason to call pot
bet ott

4 in hand might be a reason to call. I don't see a set, would have raised ott imo. neither aces, would've been 3-bet PF, QT would bet smaller

Last edited by Tithayer; 10-16-2015 at 09:15 AM.
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10-16-2015 , 10:38 AM
yes, calling
prefer blocking value bet though
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10-16-2015 , 11:02 AM
Ok. Is there any merit in betting smaller on the turn, maybe 2.75 - 3.25? Or do we have to charge draws by betting bigger?
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10-16-2015 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Mt.FishNoob
yes, calling
prefer blocking value bet though
I can only assume so you want to induce a raise to snap off? Otherwise a blocking bet here just makes zero sense.
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10-16-2015 , 11:52 AM
Turn value/protection bet is fine. I think a c/c river is actually best. Lots of missed draws and usually villains won't slowplay sets twice on such a draw heavy board.
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10-17-2015 , 04:07 AM
Absolutely yes, we have an excelent spot to check/call here. Better than betting small by far for me
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10-17-2015 , 04:27 AM
Looks good
Blocking bet is very strange.
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10-17-2015 , 04:55 PM
more likely to bluff facing a bet in theory as we would triple barrel ouur missed draws and cc to exploit missed draws (so i expect him to check back tbh). And yes snapping a raise
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10-17-2015 , 04:58 PM
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Is there any merit in betting smaller on the turn, maybe 2.75 - 3.25?
I think sizing is pretty evenly distributed against value, but there would be a lower limit bet size of about 3.7 imo unless you want to try and induce turn, and that is not reccomended without reads that he does not involve a slower call range on flop
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10-17-2015 , 06:28 PM
i think betting this particular board with this particular hand is quite bad IMO. you arnt pushing much equity with this hand and you have to a fold to a raise OTF. It is also nice to C/C this hand to strengthen your C/C range and you can turn your hand into a bluff on a quite a few run outs with your KK blockers.

The bet on the turn is also bad IMO again you arnt pushing any equity and you have to fold a raise and your in a tough spot on a ton of rivers.

river is a fold IMO, you are blocking almost all of his draws that you want him to have . You are going to have much better hands that play this way that can call, we have near the bottom of our range so calling this hand isnt good.

and the blocking bet just seems ridiculous.
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10-18-2015 , 04:44 PM
there's nothing wrong with b/f, you have favorable equity, most of his range (top and bottom > middle) is fit/fold if you bet high enough , and you don't have to b/f as you can b/c with T blocker and traingulate reads on his QQ QT AKJ vs KJ J9 Q vs sizings giving you a 'safe' bet sizing to use

the hand or position is not going to improve on turn in theory against a wide range IP, and when it does like a nice heart or board pair, then I'm glad I bet.

Last edited by Mt.FishNoob; 10-18-2015 at 04:58 PM.
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10-18-2015 , 07:22 PM
No definitely not.
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10-19-2015 , 04:47 AM
I actually don't mind a blocker bet at all. We set the price with a possibly good hand against a villian who gets to the end with a really wide range and is probably not good enough to exploit the bet. I mean its hardly a snapcall for us. Against this type of player we prob could have checked somewhere too


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10-20-2015 , 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Life Grind
i think betting this particular board with this particular hand is quite bad IMO.
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no. But vs the particular opponent betting might be bad.
Imo betting with blockers/backdoors vs a CS is not +ev here in a long term. If he is a passive type just delay cbet it or c/c once on flop and giveup unimproved.
Any 3 streets betting seems rly FPS.
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10-20-2015 , 02:33 AM
This is a pretty bad flop.
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10-20-2015 , 03:34 AM
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Originally Posted by OmahaFanatical4
This is a pretty bad flop.
no.this is quite good flop for our range. what do you say to 765cc if you think its pretty bad?
So cbet is mandatory vs anyone normal type. Vs a guy who gives up flops in 20% this is not a good spot. So i dont mind even c/f it and jump into the next hand.. Or somehow somewhere check it to play small pot vs his weaker range
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10-20-2015 , 05:53 AM
I'm not sure that any board is particularly bad for us vs villain when he's playing 80% of hands. He hits more random hands but misses a ton.
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